Giordano and Brodie pairing turning into one of the league's best

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Didn't think green text was necessary guys... Apparently I was wrong.

I definitely agree with the sentiment of this thread.

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[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

What has Brodie done so that we have a measuring stick to use to measure against other teams....

If we look at the 2013/14 season and only include defenseman in 5 on 5 situations who played more than 40 games last year, TJ Brodie faced the 13th toughest competition among all d-men (Gio was 7th), while starting in his own zone 60% of the time (7th highest) and finishing in the o-zone 50% of the time.

So he drove possession like a madman against tough competition and exited the zone with ease, he had elite level numbers last year and he's 24 years old...

Also he's a good lookin' dude.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

If we look at the 2013/14 season and only include defenseman in 5 on 5 situations who played more than 40 games last year, TJ Brodie faced the 13th toughest competition among all d-men (Gio was 7th), while starting in his own zone 60% of the time (7th highest) and finishing in the o-zone 50% of the time.

So he drove possession like a madman against tough competition and exited the zone with ease, he had elite level numbers last year and he's 24 years old...

Also he's a good lookin' dude.

40 games, so we're not even taking about playing at a high level for a season or more... half a season is good enough it seems... like I said lets not get ahead of ourselves

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

40 games, so we're not even taking about playing at a high level for a season or more... half a season is good enough it seems... like I said lets not get ahead of ourselves

He said players that played more than 40 games. Ie, eliminating players who didn't play enough to draw comparison.

Brodie did.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Didn't think green text was necessary guys... Apparently I was wrong.

I definitely agree with the sentiment of this thread.

Green text will be necessary for all Oiler fans on this board when discussing the flames in a negative light

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

40 games, so we're not even taking about playing at a high level for a season or more... half a season is good enough it seems... like I said lets not get ahead of ourselves

If you're misinterpreting those stats then I wouldn't get ahead of yourself telling everyone else to not get ahead of themselves.

Brodie had elite defensive/possession/zone stats last year... that's not getting ahead of anything.

[doctajones428]

9-15-2013:

Originally Posted by doctajones428

gio will turn into our weber after a bounce back season and given the c

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Green text will be necessary for all Oiler fans on this board when discussing the flames in a negative light

Will keep in mind!

They were def the best pair on the ice last night. They made really good pinches is what I notice the most.

[indes]

Gio got a lot of love from the ched guys last night

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He is signed through to the end of next year, 2016.

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Gio makes 4 per, Brodie makes 2.5 this year.

Brodie hits RFA status at the end of the year, Gio has this season and next before UFA.

They will get paid, but at least we know that they will be worth the raises.

Originally Posted by nik-

The sad part is by the time they're on their new deals, that number may triple.



The not so sad part is they're probably going to be worth it.

What leaves me unconcerned is that I'm sure Gio can see the upward projection of this team, so there shouldn't be a desire to sign with a contender. Hopefully we should be competing for a lower seed playoff spot by the end of next season. Also, with all the cap space we have, and the inevitable rise in the salary cap each year, I would have no issues paying Gio 7+ million if he's maintains his current level of play. He might also be willing to take a small hometown discount as it appears he really relishes being a leader here.

As for Brodie, I could see him getting a 1 or 2 year bridge deal and then cashing in after that. If he wants term this summer than I would think it's reasonable to assume he's not going to get elite-type money right away. Maybe something along the lines of 4 or 5 years at 4 to 4.5 million. Would hate to have him "Tyler Myers" on us (although realistically I do not see that happening).

No matter what happens, I want to see these two together for a very long time.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

What leaves me unconcerned is that I'm sure Gio can see the upward projection of this team, so there shouldn't be a desire to sign with a contender. Hopefully we should be competing for a lower seed playoff spot by the end of next season. Also, with all the cap space we have, and the inevitable rise in the salary cap each year, I would have no issues paying Gio 7+ million if he's maintains his current level of play. He might also be willing to take a small hometown discount as it appears he really relishes being a leader here.

As for Brodie, I could see him getting a 1 or 2 year bridge deal and then cashing in after that. If he wants term this summer than I would think it's reasonable to assume he's not going to get elite-type money right away. Maybe something along the lines of 4 or 5 years at 4 to 4.5 million. Would hate to have him "Tyler Myers" on us (although realistically I do not see that happening).

No matter what happens, I want to see these two together for a very long time.

I can see Calgary making Gio the highest paid player on the team. That'll be the bar, and no contracts will be higher then his. If I recall I think Detroit did something like that with Lidstrom.

That way, he is the leader and is paid as that.

[GoJetsGo]

TJ Brodie is 24 and has just one full NHL season under his belt. The fact there's room for debate about him being on the verge of elite status speaks for itself.

[PeteMoss]

I think the discussion is more about the pair being elite. Brodie isn't elite or on the verge of elite (assuming we are talking elite as Weber/Doughty type class), he's very good.

Gio is on the verge of being elite and just needs to do what he did last year a 2nd time to cement himself in that class.

That said - Brodie is ahead of where Giordano was at the same age (although Gio's path isn't that common).

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I think the discussion is more about the pair being elite. Brodie isn't elite or on the verge of elite (assuming we are talking elite as Weber/Doughty type class), he's very good.

Gio is on the verge of being elite and just needs to do what he did last year a 2nd time to cement himself in that class.

That said - Brodie is ahead of where Giordano was at the same age (although Gio's path isn't that common).

Dan Boyle is another guy who hit elite stats at an older age.

[SebC]

Sometimes, we try so hard to not be homers that we understate things.

[Vulcan]

I'd like to see them both at the World Championships after this season.

[GoJetsGo]

Gio and Brodie both at a point a game through five games. Looking good so far early on.

[Wastedyouth]

Brodie is outshooting Gio. Thats crazy. Seems that Hartley finally got through to him.

[Pointman]

While it is nice to compare Giordano-Brodie with current best tandems, it is also interesting how they would be rated against some of the best duos Flames had in past. Probably a bit behind 2004 Regehr-Leopold, a bit better than Hamrlik-Phaneuf maybe.

[Da_Chief]

Right now imo they'd be ahead of Regher-Leo 2004 pair but behind Hamrlik-Dion(those 2 were great together).