Men-only barber shop controversy

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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The business should be able to do whatever it wants. There are many types of businesses, groups, organizations and events which are gender specific and people don't seem to cry foul about them. There are female only gyms, some hotels have female only floors, university residence is split by gender, there are gender specific professional and business networks and organizations, etc.

The fact that you're not able to identify the reasons why "female-only" businesses exist, does not refute the fact that they are currently a necessity for many women.

[photon]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The business should be able to do whatever it wants.

Of course it can. If it wants to operate a business that violates the Canadian charter they are welcome to either move to a country with different laws or comply with the laws while they go to court to have their discrimination ruled justifiable.

[The Ditch]

or you know, the fact that it's illegal

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Locke

Threats? Seriously?

This isn't unusual. I can't recall the exact person/story, but just recently there was a woman who works in the video game industry who called out the video game industry's sexism, exclusion of women (even though they make up approximately half of all gamers), etc, and she started receiving such a large number of threats that she had to contact the police.

I've heard it said that if you read the comments section of any article about feminism, they explain why feminism is necessary, and it's really pretty true. For every grown up and enlightened man who agrees that women should have equality, you have at least one neanderthal idiot who thinks women are at fault for most of the problems in the world.

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Originally Posted by wittynickname

Speaking as an actual professional with actual understanding of how haircuts work...more likely she looked up information on where best to get a hard part haircut and this barbershop would be the best place to get it.

good post.

There could be more context too.... ws she refused out of hand? did the two parties involved have an actual dialogue?

as always, proper communication might have resolved the conflict...

[photon]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

This isn't unusual. I can't recall the exact person/story, but just recently there was a woman who works in the video game industry who called out the video game industry's sexism, exclusion of women (even though they make up approximately half of all gamers), etc, and she started receiving such a large number of threats that she had to contact the police.

Anita Sarkeesian, she has a video series on stereotypes and tropes associated with women in video games, critiquing how women are portrayed.

I've also watched a number of talks by women who work in the video game industry and after talking honestly about their experiences and the statistics get similarly attacked.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Well this is also the same city that dumped a truck full of manure on a football players front lawn for missing a kick.

Twitter can be a pretty ugly place sometimes and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the abuse came from people all over the world. A lot of the #notallmen crowd can get pretty aggro - It's not pretty.

[pylon]

I want to join Spa Lady, because the location is convenient and they have the only machine in the city that I can tone my inner thighs with.

If they say no, I am going to file a human rights complaint. And they better damn well build me a change room to use as well.

How is that any different?

edit: For the record, I am not saying what this barber is doing is right, but these types of gender specific rules have to apply both ways with absolutely ZERO exceptions. I would bet there are far more organizations and companies that exclude men, than there are ones that exclude women.

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by pylon

I want to join Spa Lady, because the location is convenient and they have the only machine in the city that I can tone my inner thighs with.

If they say no, I am going to file a human rights complaint. And they better damn well build me a change room to use as well.

How is that any different?

edit: For the record, I am not saying what this barber is doing is right, but these types of gender specific rules have to apply both ways with absolutely ZERO exceptions. I would bet there are far more organizations and companies that exclude men, than there are ones that exclude women.

Because men are pigs. Duh. Any white male should feel shame everyday

[photon]

Originally Posted by pylon

but these types of gender specific rules have to apply both ways with absolutely ZERO exceptions.

No they don't.

Remember the protesters with the tent town in Olympic Plaza? Their protest was ruled as protected speech, but in that case the court found that evicting them was a justifiable violation of their rights.

Same with public establishments, in cases where they can be women only there are court cases explaining why the violation of rights is justified. If you want to discuss the merits of the decision that's fine, but you are incorrect when you say absolutely zero exceptions.

And in Saskabush you would be able to become a member at Curves and they'd have to provide you facilities.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

Because men are pigs. Duh. Any white male should feel shame everyday

As brash as that post is, it holds a ton of truth of why one sided rules like this can exist.

Women can exclude men from a gym, because obviously, every single man there is a pervert and wants to look at women butts and sniff the seats on the stationary bikes. Every single man gets grouped with the bicycle seat sniffer.

[photon]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

Because men are pigs. Duh. Any white male should feel shame everyday

If you're going to argue against imaginary statements said by no one here do it somewhere else.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by photon

And in Saskabush you would be able to become a member at Curves and they'd have to provide you facilities.

For sharts and giggles, the next day I have off, I will attempt to join a Spa Lady. I will record the whole thing, and report back.

Because I believe you are wrong, and they would never allow a man to join.

And for the record, I have no issues with business that exclude men, I also have no issues with it going the other way either, as long as it is not rooted in hate or Misogyny.

[Chill Cosby]

Despite it catering specifically to men, they should've just cut her hair and sent her on her way. If what she wanted was a traditional men's cut, then that's probably the best place to get it, and in that respect it really shouldn't matter if she has breasts or not. You're cutting hair - you only do men's cuts - she wants a men's cut - so cut her hair.
Simple.

That said, why she would pass up on a scalp massage shampoo from a bony fingered Eastern European lady in a mid-range salon, I'll never know.

And for those bringing up the "I want to join SpaLady!" argument, why don't you go do it then? Quit the old straw man junk, stop your whining, and go try and get that workout catered specifically to women instead of just talking about it like it's relevant.

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by pylon

For sharts and giggles, the next day I have off, I will attempt to join a Spa Lady. I will record the whole thing, and report back.

Because I believe you are wrong, and they would never allow a man to join.

And for the record, I have no issues with business that exclude men, I also have no issues with it going the other way either, as long as it is not rooted in hate or Misogyny.

I look forward to the results. When you get denied complain to the media of discrimination. Tell em you bought a pair of new Lulu's just to fit in.

[photon]

Originally Posted by pylon

For sharts and giggles, the next day I have off, I will attempt to join a Spa Lady. I will record the whole thing, and report back.

Because I believe you are wrong, and they would never allow a man to join.

I said Saskatchewan, I don't know the status of such things in Alberta.

If there's a court case explaining why Curves is allowed to say no to men in Alberta, going on your adventure without first understanding the case and having a cogent reason to disagree with the judge(s) is a bit premature.

If there's no restriction in Alberta and you do it, it's within your rights but I think it demonstrates a complete lack of nuance and understanding of why such things exist.

If sexism/misogyny/gender inequality was not a huge issue in our society then you would have a point.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

Despite it catering specifically to men, they should've just cut her hair and sent her on her way. If what she wanted was a traditional men's cut, then that's probably the best place to get it, and in that respect it really shouldn't matter if she has breasts or not. You're cutting hair - you only do men's cuts - she wants a men's cut - so cut her hair.
Simple.

That said, why she would pass up on a scalp massage shampoo from a bony fingered Eastern European lady in a mid-range salon, I'll never know.

And for those bringing up the "I want to join SpaLady!" argument, why don't you go do it then? Quit the old straw man junk, stop your whining, and go try and get that workout catered specifically to women instead of just talking about it like it's relevant.

I am not saying it is wrong to exclude men from a business, I get why it is done.

However, if you take gender inequality and misogyny out, how can a women's business do the same thing carte blanche, without the same repercussions? Why is there not outrage from the mens side about us being excluded, I never see it.

[formulate]

I once took the boys out to Milestone's for their 'Girls Night Out' special (4 bellinis, 4 appetizers, 40 bucks). Partially as a joke, and partially because we are all unashamedly hooked on bellinis. The staff had absolutely no problem serving us, bending the time-honoured tradition of women picking at smoked salmon and brie while sipping a deliciously slushy cocktail.

[Burninator]

"He launched into this rant saying if they start accepting trans clients and lesbians then what if a lesbian with long hair wants their hair cut? Where do you draw the line?," Ruddy told CBC News.

Couldn't they draw the line at the type of hair (long) or type of hair cut (long hair cut)?

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

I'm still trying to get into SpaLady - it'd be nice to workout without any bros or the lifter-only types. Mix in some cardio! Women and gays only.

Thats exactly the crowd we get at our gym in bridgeland. PM me and i'll hook you up with a two week trial