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Old 06-26-2014, 09:19 PM   #61
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They could get that as FA's, as crazy as it sounds...teams pay 7 plus for decent players
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:19 PM   #62
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@ ~12M I'd keep Toews ofc and trade Kane.
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:26 PM   #63
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Its not for the good of the company. It is for the good of a team that has to win and have success in a cap world.

They're both great players, but they can't win everything by themselves.

Handzus was their 2nd line center. Not exactly great depth there.

Leddy and Rosival were their 5/6 guys. Not exactly great depth there.

They need a balanced team.

LA won the cup again because they have a very balanced team.
Leddy and Rozival were good enough to win the Cup a year ago... And they were good enough to get within OT of game 7 of getting back again.
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:44 PM   #64
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@ ~12M I'd keep Toews ofc and trade Kane.
I'd take Toews on the Flames for 12M...people scoff at the contract but I think every team would pay it
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:01 PM   #65
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Should get around 10m AAV

No different than Crosby or Malkin getting 8.7 in proportion to where the cap was when they signed their current contracts
And honestly the Penguins were lucky that Crosby was born in 87.

Ovechkin got 9.5M (over 13 years) in 2008 when the cap was 56.7M, over 15% of the entire cap at the time.

15% of the cap in the 2015-2016 season could be over 11M but it's important to realize while the cap is going up, real-world inflation isn't as quickly.

Getzlaf will be making 8.25M over the 8 years of his contract which will see him reach 36 before it expires so you should be considering a couple of those years as past his prime, especially with his playstyle. An 8 year contract for Kane would only see him reach 34 by the end of the contract and more-or-less should be considered prime years. Weber between 27 and 34 will be making, in real dollars, 92M or 11.5M a year and have an additional 18M left on his contract despite what his cap hit may be.

Kessel signed a 8M a year contract for about the same age range and Toews and Kane are superior players.

I think the biggest thing the Hawk's have going for them is Malkin's 9.5M dollar contract. Bowman will no doubt be trying to use that as a benchmark but if Kane and Toews only care about money, which I'm not saying they do, I think their agents would have failed them if they get less than an 80M, 10M a year contract.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:06 PM   #66
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a lot, I'd be willing to bet
Way to go out on a limb there buddy
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:31 PM   #67
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Malkin- $9.5
Getzlaf- $8.25
Perry- $8.6
Lundqvist-$8.5
Giroux-$8.27
E.Staal-$8.25
Kessel-$8.0


That's the new normal. Some people call them stupid contracts
They don't realize the balancing act that the new 8-year contract brought in. Too many people focused on cap hits as opposed to actual cash. Imagine if HR told you could make 1,000,000M fun time bucks, the very same as your boss! Except your boss's equivalent real money salary, through some maths, ended up being 150,000 and yours is 30,000. You would tell HR to #### off before walking out of the office.

Well now look at Weber who will end up making over 10M a year for the next 10 years. Why should Kane and Toews give a #### about his cap hit? They should be focused on the cash if that's what they are after. Parise and Suter, same thing, making on average 10 million a year for the first 8 years of their contracts. Now, of course, the new rules do put constraints that have to be factored but there's absolute evidence that teams are willing to pay top players in their prime north of 10M a year to play for them. And in the case of Nashville they weren't up against the cap, not only did they pay Weber 14M this year but they had cash to spend if they could/wanted to. They also didn't make the playoffs and that's one of the major factors Kane and Toews will have to assess if they want to chase the money in free agency.
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