08-06-2012, 10:50 AM
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Offered up a bag of cans for a custom user title
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Well, you guys are going to have to explain it to me. You've got some great drive-bys, but nobody is explaining what exactly motivated this guy. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY a few hours after a hate crime committed against Sikhs that this guy is explaining the difference between Muslims and Sikhs. Why explain that people wearing turbans are likely Sikhs, not Muslims. What is the motivation? Why would he say anything at all regarding the two religions?
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That was how I interpreted the comments as well, but I only read what was in this thread.
I thought he was alluding to being targeted due to false identification. How can anyone know anything so soon in an investigation? Either way, the terrorists and their supporters need to go down big time.
I always thought North America was a great place with opportunity. Is there widespread discrimination against Sikhs?
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08-06-2012, 11:01 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Champion
A lot of people don't know the difference. Even before this stuff. My father came to Canada in the 60's. My family was here before. My dad said he was spit on trying to apply to jobs.
It's different now, but racism is just so dumb. We are all the same. We just have have different skin colors.
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Immigrants in general had it rough back then no matter where they were from.
It does surpise me how ignorant many people are regarding Sikhs specifically though. The Sikh community in Canada traces its origins to before Confederation having located to the west coast from India when the British were colonizing India and North America. Without the Sikh farmers and labourers that arrived in the 1800s and their loyalty to the Empire, things may have gone differently. Many Sikhs in Canada are about as far removed as being "immigrants" as you can be in a relatively new country.
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Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 08-07-2012 at 02:06 PM.
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08-06-2012, 11:06 AM
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Sikhism needs to shoulder some of the blame for that.
Of all the 'major' religions, they seem to do the least prosthelytizing. Because of this, most people don't know what it is/who they are, other than they wear turbans (scary because it's different) and swords (scary because it's a sword).
Sikh temples are a great place to get some food, though.
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08-06-2012, 11:21 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Calling this event an act of terrorism is just ridiculous.
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ter·ror·ism [ter-uh-riz-uhm]
noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
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I don't see anywhere in any article where it says the killer killed these Sikhs for political gain. It was simply a hate crime through and through.
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08-06-2012, 11:26 AM
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Here's the Myspace page of Page's White Supremacist Band
http://www.myspace.com/endapathyband
"End Apathy began in 2005 with roots in old school hardcore punk and metal influences. The music is a sad commentary on our sick society and the problems that prevent true progress."
Last edited by Hack&Lube; 08-06-2012 at 11:53 AM.
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08-06-2012, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Well, you guys are going to have to explain it to me. You've got some great drive-bys, but nobody is explaining what exactly motivated this guy. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY a few hours after a hate crime committed against Sikhs that this guy is explaining the difference between Muslims and Sikhs. Why explain that people wearing turbans are likely Sikhs, not Muslims. What is the motivation? Why would he say anything at all regarding the two religions?
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Because after 9/11 Sikhs were targeted by a lot of hate groups thinking they were Aghanis/Muslim. It's only because this incident was reported on a large scale and maybe that's why you can't wrap your head around (no pun intended) why the Sikh leader said those things.
In no way he meant what you're making it out to be.
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08-06-2012, 11:49 AM
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You are right. I'm still not wrapping my head around it.
Sikhs have been targeted because hate groups think they are Muslim. We're together so far. Why is it so incredibly far fetched for me to believe that his statement that "Sikhs wear turbans and Muslim's don't" would be so that hate groups would not target them as much?
From the later article I quoted, this guy seems to be in the minority. Most Sikhs are taking the position of "DON'T TARGET ANYBODY" and not going into how to differentiate between the religions.
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08-06-2012, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
You are right. I'm still not wrapping my head around it.
Sikhs have been targeted because hate groups think they are Muslim. We're together so far. Why is it so incredibly far fetched for me to believe that his statement that "Sikhs wear turbans and Muslim's don't" would be so that hate groups would not target them as much?
From the later article I quoted, this guy seems to be in the minority. Most Sikhs are taking the position of "DON'T TARGET ANYBODY" and not going into how to differentiate between the religions.
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Why is that such a bad thing? I don't understand your outrage to someone doing that. Like I said, even if you take the incident out of the equation, no cultural or religious group ever wants to be confused for another. Heck, Canadian's get pissy being mistaken for Americans abroad.
Yeah it sucks, and yes this is a bad thing to happen to anyone, there shouldn't be these hate crimes at all, but I don't think what he said is horrible at all.
Lastly, which shows you're backwards and behind the times more? Hating visible minorities, or having a MySpace page? (sorry I had to, and if I didn't, I know someone else would have  )
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08-06-2012, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
You are right. I'm still not wrapping my head around it.
Sikhs have been targeted because hate groups think they are Muslim. We're together so far. Why is it so incredibly far fetched for me to believe that his statement that "Sikhs wear turbans and Muslim's don't" would be so that hate groups would not target them as much?
From the later article I quoted, this guy seems to be in the minority. Most Sikhs are taking the position of "DON'T TARGET ANYBODY" and not going into how to differentiate between the religions.
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No one should be victim of a hate crime, there's a few bad apples in every religion but like one of the posters said earlier why would Sikhs want their people slaughtered because of a mistaken identity? No religion wants to be confused with another. Would you like to be mistaken for some other religion while the accused are shelling out racist comments while kicking your ass?
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08-06-2012, 12:18 PM
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Sorry for the ignorance... but why aren't "white supremists" prosecuted and hunted down like Middle Eastern terrorist organizations?
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08-06-2012, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
Calling this event an act of terrorism is just ridiculous.
I don't see anywhere in any article where it says the killer killed these Sikhs for political gain. It was simply a hate crime through and through.
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Lol the link and definition you gave fits "terrorism" 100%.
Of course it's terrorism.
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08-06-2012, 12:24 PM
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Sorry for the ignorance... but why aren't "white supremists" prosecuted and hunted down like Middle Eastern terrorist organizations?
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Because they have constitutional rights... 
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08-06-2012, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Sorry for the ignorance... but why aren't "white supremists" prosecuted and hunted down like Middle Eastern terrorist organizations?
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Although being a "supremist" is deplorablre and completely stupid, it's not illegal.
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08-06-2012, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Although being a "supremist" is deplorablre and completely stupid, it's not illegal.
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How is it different from terrorist organizations, which FBI/CIA/whatever do go after?
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08-06-2012, 12:40 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
How is it different from terrorist organizations, which FBI/CIA/whatever do go after?
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Really?
The terrorist orginizations exist to inflict harm on Western countries (for the most part) and as such are threats to national security. Al Queda openly declared war on the US IIRC.
Supremists pose no such threat per se, but if/when they do, they are most definately dealt with in the same manner any terrorist orginization is/has been.
Google Randy Weaver and the Ruby Ridge fiasco.
Last edited by transplant99; 08-06-2012 at 01:42 PM.
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08-06-2012, 01:26 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
How is it different from terrorist organizations, which FBI/CIA/whatever do go after?
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Because they are not organized and do not have a sole purpose of the destruction of particular people or governments.
They know better.
Watch one of these loopy ####s get a small group together that is loony enough to threaten the government or specific civilian targets and see how long it takes the FBI to wreak havoc on their pasty asses.
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08-06-2012, 01:52 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by Yasa
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Its existed for a lot longer than that.
See McVeigh, Timothy, Kaczynski Ted, Kehoe Andrew, Rudolph Eric, Hasan Nidal...etc etc.
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08-06-2012, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Yasa
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In 1995, a fomer soldier upset over the ATF's handling of the siege at a cult compound outside of Waco, TX planned an executed the bombing of the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, OK killing 168 and wounding nearly 700 more.
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08-06-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Yasa
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Those charges were dropped(other than a few illegal possession charges for firearms). The folks charged spent 2 years in jail without bond only to have a judge say the charges lacked merit. They also have recieved all their legal weapons back.
The FBI had an agent undercover in the group for 4 years. They even rented the warehouse where the group stored its weapons. So it is a little hard to say the justice department gives christian groups a pass:
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/c...mich-militia-2
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