08-19-2022, 09:43 PM
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#761
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I could easily see a 2027 buyout.
Cap is likely $90M at that point and a $2M penalty wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Yep, and in that respect you can look at it as a 5 year deal with a penalty for two additional years.
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08-19-2022, 09:45 PM
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#762
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Cole436
As others have said, top 6 RW is still a problem right now.
Huberdeau - Lindholm - Tofilli
Mangiapane - Kadri - Coleman
Tofolli didn’t prove last year that he’s still a top line guy. I’m happy with him on the second line with Kadri, but that would leave a gaping hole on our top line. Slotting him on the top line works if we had stronger support on the second line though.
I also don’t think that Coleman should be a) broken up from Backlund b) playing top 6 minutes. I think he clearly will be the weak link of our scoring lines.
The other option is to hope that Pelletier surprises and take that slot.
However, I think the most realistic option is that we move Hanafin+ for a top winger before the season starts.
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The Flames have 3 top line players in huberdeau, kadri, and Lindholm, but 7 solid top 6 players with backlund. Who plays with who will come down to chemistry. Huberdeau didn't need to be paired with a top line center to produce at the highest level in Florida. He might be better off with two trigger men and Lindholm might form his own 1B line.
Who knows what will happen. This is a very deep Flames team, and it's very exciting to be a fan right now.
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08-20-2022, 07:42 AM
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#763
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Franchise Player
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The last time the Flames won the UFA signing season was 2009.
Coming off a 98 pt season (solid 5th spot in the West, 5th playoff year in a row.
They added Bouwmeester to Phanuef, Regher, Sarich and Giordano.
Iginla, Jokininen, Langkow, Kipper
They won the first 5 games of 2009-10 with Gio being 1st star in the first game.
The next playoff game was 2014-15 with Gio the only 2009-10 player left on the roster
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08-20-2022, 07:49 AM
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#764
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
The last time the Flames won the UFA signing season was 2009.
Coming off a 98 pt season (solid 5th spot in the West, 5th playoff year in a row.
They added Bouwmeester to Phanuef, Regher, Sarich and Giordano.
Iginla, Jokininen, Langkow, Kipper
They won the first 5 games of 2009-10 with Gio being 1st star in the first game.
The next playoff game was 2014-15 with Gio the only 2009-10 player left on the roster
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If your point is that on paper this team looks good but we don't know how it will come together and we should wait and see before making any grand proclamations, then I agree.
If you point is that this team is the same as the 2009-10 team and will befall the same fate, see your first potential point.
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08-20-2022, 08:10 AM
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#765
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
The last time the Flames won the UFA signing season was 2009.
Coming off a 98 pt season (solid 5th spot in the West, 5th playoff year in a row.
They added Bouwmeester to Phanuef, Regher, Sarich and Giordano.
Iginla, Jokininen, Langkow, Kipper
They won the first 5 games of 2009-10 with Gio being 1st star in the first game.
The next playoff game was 2014-15 with Gio the only 2009-10 player left on the roster
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I think getting Markstrom was a pretty massive UFA signing season win and while Tanev maybe didn’t have the fanfare that was a truly amazing pickup.
The 2009 They got the biggest fish by adding a 25 year old former top 3 pick on the blueline. They also let a 39 goal 80pt winger walk to Montreal who wanted to sign here and another top 6 forward in Bertuzzi walk without a replacement.
I also don’t think they won signing season this year as they lost the top UFA on the market and signed the second best available player
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08-20-2022, 08:12 AM
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#766
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
At the time many people would have said “so Pietrangelo is in the same bucket as Letang?”
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Ahh…I see. Great point.  Keep dying on that hill.
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08-20-2022, 08:23 AM
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#767
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Ahh…I see. Great point. Keep dying on that hill. |
Andersson and Hanifin would have to make massive steps, bigger than last year to be in that elite level.
In the case of Hedman and Makar, never
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08-20-2022, 08:32 AM
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#768
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
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08-20-2022, 08:43 AM
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#769
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Red Slinger
If your point is that on paper this team looks good but we don't know how it will come together and we should wait and see before making any grand proclamations, then I agree.
If you point is that this team is the same as the 2009-10 team and will befall the same fate, see your first potential point.
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This year's top UFAs were Gaudreau and Kadri
Last year Hamilton and Gruabauer
2020 Pietroangelo and Taylor Hall
2019 Sergei Bobrovsky and Panarin
2018 Tavares and James van Riemsdyk James Neal was top 5
2017 Radulov and Shattenkirk
2016 Okposo Loui Eriksson
A lot more losers than winners and maybe Panarin that lived up to the expectations generated on signing.
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08-20-2022, 08:50 AM
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#770
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Ahh…I see. Great point. Keep dying on that hill. |
Dying on that hill? No. Just making the point that young D aren’t elite until they are. And sometimes it doesn’t happen right away. You are being silly. Pietrangelo wasn’t viewed as elite until he won a cup. That’s the single point.
Will Hanifin or Andersson take another step? Probably not. But it’s possible. Anderson’s progression has been fantastic and Hanifin has always had potential - that’s why he was drafted where he was.
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08-20-2022, 09:01 AM
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#771
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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08-20-2022, 09:04 AM
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#772
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto, ON
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
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obviously the best thing Makar could do to help Kadri is to demand a trade here and be his full-time city guide...make it so
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08-20-2022, 09:16 AM
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#773
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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There is a blank check for Makar in 5 yrs
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08-20-2022, 09:44 AM
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#774
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Electricprez
The flames are going to move an absolute metric buttload of jerseys this year with 13, 23, and 19 out -- and 91, 10, and 52 in.
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Someone made a thinly veiled racist comment about Kadri “caring too much for his culture” in a different thread but I think this is actually a huge positive for the team - for bringing in new fans, selling merchandise, inspiring young players.
Yes, Kadri cares for his culture (who doesn’t?) and will take the Cup to a Mosque in London which is the first time this has happened. But again, I can only see huge benefits when firsts like this happen.
https://aboutislam.net/muslim-issues...london-mosque/
Last edited by Jaybo; 08-20-2022 at 11:24 AM.
Reason: Missed a word
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08-20-2022, 09:50 AM
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#775
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaybo
Someone made a thinly veiled racist comment about Kadri “caring too much for his culture” in a different thread I think this is actually a huge positive for the team - for bringing in new fans, selling merchandise, inspiring young players.
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When I buy my Kadri jersey, it'll mean more to me than any other Flames merch I've purchased.
I'm not even Muslim - I'm just a pumped brown dude. Even if he underperforms, I'll wear that thing with pride.
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08-20-2022, 09:58 AM
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#776
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
For Kadri, the Flames are a lot more like the Avs he just left than a lot of teams. Deep D (albeit no Makar, but then, they didn't have a Tanev equivalent). Mackinnon is obviously a tier above Lindy but Lindy's still a great player. Huberdeau = Rantanen, Mangiapane = Nichuskin, Backlund > Newhook, Weegar = Toews, Byram = Andersson, Hanifin > Girard, Tofolli = Burakovsky, Markstrom > Keumper. I guess Kadri is the Landeskog in the equation.
Colorado has an edge based on Makar and Mackinnon, but it's not huge.
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but then who's the Kadri?!
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08-20-2022, 10:00 AM
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#777
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smiggy77
but then who's the Kadri?!
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Dube 
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08-20-2022, 10:00 AM
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#778
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Dying on that hill? No. Just making the point that young D aren’t elite until they are. And sometimes it doesn’t happen right away. You are being silly. Pietrangelo wasn’t viewed as elite until he won a cup. That’s the single point.
Will Hanifin or Andersson take another step? Probably not. But it’s possible. Anderson’s progression has been fantastic and Hanifin has always had potential - that’s why he was drafted where he was.
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I'm not sure the bolded is true. Piet played on Team Canada in 2014 and got Norris votes most years after that. STL had decent playoff runs 2/3 yrs before their cup where Piet played 28 mins a night
His reputation certainly levelled up again with the Cup, but anyone paying attention knew he was elite.
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08-20-2022, 10:04 AM
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#779
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by transplant99
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The Kadri family certainly sounds like a great bunch.
Awesome to have them in Calgary!
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08-20-2022, 10:08 AM
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#780
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Could Care Less
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
The last time the Flames won the UFA signing season was 2009.
Coming off a 98 pt season (solid 5th spot in the West, 5th playoff year in a row.
They added Bouwmeester to Phanuef, Regher, Sarich and Giordano.
Iginla, Jokininen, Langkow, Kipper
They won the first 5 games of 2009-10 with Gio being 1st star in the first game.
The next playoff game was 2014-15 with Gio the only 2009-10 player left on the roster
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Since the Flames haven’t had much playoff success in the last number of decades you could do this with virtually any UFA signing over the period.
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