Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[devo22]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Where do you guys see this Galchenyuk (sp?) kid going? Is he a top 5, or will his injuries see him drop a bit?

It's hard to say ... his injury is a big risk, but the guy also has a lot of talent. I think it'll be similar to Brett Connolly, so somewhere between 6 and 10 would be my guess.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

I was really excited to see how Nino would do in the NHL and he has been extremely mediocre for NYI this season. I think he has like 3 points in 30ish games (I think he plays on the 3rd or 4th line).

To be fair, the situation he's in is designed for failure:
- He promised Nino a spot out of training camp and, while the coach refuses to play him much more (might change now that Rolston is gone...though they've gone the other way it seems, making him a healthy scratch despite "his play not being a problem"...in favour of Jay Pandolfo ),
- He's probably not ready at early 19 (He and Bartschi are only 1 month difference in age)
- He's playing with plugs at ~7 minutes a night. Imagine Bartschi playing with Jackman and Bouma...yeah.

I can't help but think Bartschi would get a very similar result if he was on our 4th line this year. Thankfully, the Flames management is less inept (more ept?) than the Islanders and their owner's semi-insane mentality (speculation is that he was kept up to hit cap floor with his massive bonuses).

Where do you guys see this Galchenyuk (sp?) kid going? Is he a top 5, or will his injuries see him drop a bit?

6-8 is my thought. Too many teams wouldn't mind rolling the dice on a nice looking forward prospect.

[nik-]

Galchenyuk is probably going top 5, but I'm not sure what the defensive needs will be for the teams picking in that area.

edit: on second thought, probably just outside of the top 5, I see the top 5 being Yakupov Grigirenko, Murray, Dumba, Forsberg.

[3 Justin 3]

As badly as I want Galchenyuk there is no way he falls to us. Unless someone pulls a Winnipeg and chooses someone ahead of where they should go, we won't be low enough to snag him. I am no draft expert at all, but unless he comes to the combine in horrible shape, I'm guessing he goes top 5.

Edit: I agree with nik. Just outside top 5.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by nik-

edit: on second thought, probably just outside of the top 5, I see the top 5 being Yakupov Grigirenko, Murray, Dumba, Forsberg.

Not so sure about Grigorenko, he has gotten a lot of heat lately ... from the Prospects thread:

Fallers

Mikhail Grigorenko: There had been whispers over the past month that all may not be wonderful when it comes to the scouting world's perception of Grigorenko's competitiveness, but the whispers have grown into full-blown skepticism in some circles. "He could fall right off the map," said one scout who asserted that his club won't be considering him in the first round.

"He doesn't want to compete. If he's there at 25 and we are picking, we go by him."

His concerns were echoed by another eastern conference scout who insisted his team will not select the talented Russian no matter where they end up in the standings. "He's a dog. Take a look at what games Grigorenko gets his points. He gets a handful the other night against PEI. none at Moncton, and one assist (in the nationally televised game) in Saint John. A couple of weeks ago in Rimouski he's minus 6. He scares the (crap) out of me." While there's no denying his skill level, and his 73 points in 39 games as a QMJHL rookie are a testament to his offensive abilities, there will be a lot of teams watching him closely in the playoffs to see whether he has the competitive streak scouts like to see in their top five prospects. As of right now a number of teams have several players ranked ahead of him, and that trend will continue if he does not learn to compete at a higher level.

http://tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=388658

[nik-]

Originally Posted by devo22

Not so sure about Grigorenko, he has gotten a lot of heat lately ... from the Prospects thread:

Fallers

Mikhail Grigorenko: There had been whispers over the past month that all may not be wonderful when it comes to the scouting world's perception of Grigorenko's competitiveness, but the whispers have grown into full-blown skepticism in some circles. "He could fall right off the map," said one scout who asserted that his club won't be considering him in the first round.

"He doesn't want to compete. If he's there at 25 and we are picking, we go by him."

His concerns were echoed by another eastern conference scout who insisted his team will not select the talented Russian no matter where they end up in the standings. "He's a dog. Take a look at what games Grigorenko gets his points. He gets a handful the other night against PEI. none at Moncton, and one assist (in the nationally televised game) in Saint John. A couple of weeks ago in Rimouski he's minus 6. He scares the (crap) out of me." While there's no denying his skill level, and his 73 points in 39 games as a QMJHL rookie are a testament to his offensive abilities, there will be a lot of teams watching him closely in the playoffs to see whether he has the competitive streak scouts like to see in their top five prospects. As of right now a number of teams have several players ranked ahead of him, and that trend will continue if he does not learn to compete at a higher level.

http://tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=388658

One anonymous scout.

He won't drop, this kind of stuff is said every year.

[Jason14h]

One anonymous scout.

He won't drop, this kind of stuff is said every year.

Like with Esposito.....

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by nik-

One anonymous scout.

He won't drop, this kind of stuff is said every year.

"No no, for realsie. He sucks. You don't want him. We totally won't even pick him if we get a chance. Everybody who drafts ahead of us should just ignore him."

[moon]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I'm hoping that if the Flames fall a bit further out of contention that they play Irving a bit more, and scratch a few veterans and let the rookies get some experience.

A good pick in the top ten this year could go a long ways to turning this franchise around in a hurry.

Where do you guys see this Galchenyuk (sp?) kid going? Is he a top 5, or will his injuries see him drop a bit?

The problem with Galcheyuk falling to us is it just takes one team to want to take the risk and with likely ~10 teams drafting before us someone will take that risk.

I thought people had questions about Gringorenko's heart/work ethic before the season so odd that he was ranked high with those concerns and now is dropping off the map when at worst they are a little more serious.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by devo22

Not so sure about Grigorenko, he has gotten a lot of heat lately ... from the Prospects thread:

Fallers

Mikhail Grigorenko: There had been whispers over the past month that all may not be wonderful when it comes to the scouting world's perception of Grigorenko's competitiveness, but the whispers have grown into full-blown skepticism in some circles. "He could fall right off the map," said one scout who asserted that his club won't be considering him in the first round.

"He doesn't want to compete. If he's there at 25 and we are picking, we go by him."

His concerns were echoed by another eastern conference scout who insisted his team will not select the talented Russian no matter where they end up in the standings. "He's a dog. Take a look at what games Grigorenko gets his points. He gets a handful the other night against PEI. none at Moncton, and one assist (in the nationally televised game) in Saint John. A couple of weeks ago in Rimouski he's minus 6. He scares the (crap) out of me." While there's no denying his skill level, and his 73 points in 39 games as a QMJHL rookie are a testament to his offensive abilities, there will be a lot of teams watching him closely in the playoffs to see whether he has the competitive streak scouts like to see in their top five prospects. As of right now a number of teams have several players ranked ahead of him, and that trend will continue if he does not learn to compete at a higher level.

http://tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=388658

Lol at Grigorenko not goin in the first. His stock may have dropped (at one point some said he'd go before Yakupov), but it is laughable to think you'll be able to get him at 25. I hope our scouts aren't this blind.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Like with Esposito.....

Exceptions prove the point

edit: and that's not even in the same realm, the last early consensus high pick that fell was Courturier and he was falling a lot sooner ... he fell to 8th.

Grigorenko falling to mid first round is completely unprobable, it won't happen.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Lol at Grigorenko not goin in the first. His stock may have dropped (at one point some said he'd go before Yakupov), but it is laughable to think you'll be able to get him at 25. I hope our scouts aren't this blind.

obviously 25 is a huge exaggeration. All I wanted to say is that he's not collectively seen as a top 3 pick any more, but could fall a few spots. It would shock me if he wasn't picked in the top 5 or at least top 10, but that's still a big fall for a guy who at one point was seen ahead of Yakupov. After all he wouldn't be the first Russian to fall a few spots.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Now imagine if we could get one or two others from that top 20 list. If we were to make some major changes to the team (Kipper, Iggy, JayBow) then I think a couple of these guys could be had. The time for change is now, a "young guns" today wouldn't be bad because as mentioned the game is going that direction. I'd love to get a good young team for once.

If the Blues get dumped early in the playoffs because of a lack of scoring, I could see Iginla as a good fit, with Tarasenko being the centerpiece of the return.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

As badly as I want Galchenyuk there is no way he falls to us. Unless someone pulls a Winnipeg and chooses someone ahead of where they should go, we won't be low enough to snag him. I am no draft expert at all, but unless he comes to the combine in horrible shape, I'm guessing he goes top 5.

Edit: I agree with nik. Just outside top 5.

Picking 6th or 7th overall isn't that big of a stretch for the Flames.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

Picking 6th or 7th overall isn't that big of a stretch for the Flames.

Surely you jest!

The Flames would have to give up THREE points in the pack to fall to 6th place.

PREPOSTEROUS!!

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by moon

The problem with Galcheyuk falling to us is it just takes one team to want to take the risk and with likely ~10 teams drafting before us someone will take that risk.

I thought people had questions about Gringorenko's heart/work ethic before the season so odd that he was ranked high with those concerns and now is dropping off the map when at worst they are a little more serious.

Say we finish in the 8-10 range, which is realistic given our current level of play, what do you think it would take to move up to a top 5 position? We can always cross our fingers to win the lottery and move up a few spots, but realistically what is the cost to move up 3-4 picks?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by RobDoupe

If the Blues get dumped early in the playoffs because of a lack of scoring, I could see Iginla as a good fit, with Tarasenko being the centerpiece of the return.

I doubt the blues would trade Tarasenko unless they thought he was not coming to the US.

I would think a package of Berglund, Rattie and Shatternick might get it done. Iggy and Nemisz for those 3.

A line of SVen- Berglund- Rattie would be pretty sweet in a couple years.

Now that i look at it i doubt we could get that package.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

****************** Fantastical Illusions of Grandeur Warning********************
I would actually love to see a 3rd line of Baertschi - Reinhart - Ferland. A great scorer/set-up man, great set-up man/defensively responsible forward/clutch player, and a very strong corner/net-front presence with good hands. It sounds like the makings of one heck of a line (IF - BIG IF) they all develop and crack the roster. Would be nice to have them all play together for the next while even on the Heat and allow them to get some chemistry. Just day-dreaming with the possibilities and reality probably tells me it Ferland and Reinhart probably have a ceiling of 3rd liners.

The BaRF line?

[HighLifeMan]

We will most likely end up in the 8-12 Range. I see us taking either a Center or a Defensemen

Three center's who may land in that range could be Alex Galchenyuk, Radek Faksa and Brendan Gaunce.

Four defensemen who may land in that range could be Jacob Trouba, Morgan Rielly, Griffin Reinhart and Cody Ceci.

I would honestly be content with all of those players, with Galchenyuk,Faksa and Rielly headlining my top three.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

One anonymous scout.

He won't drop, this kind of stuff is said every year.

Russians dropping is in fact a trend (Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, etc). Skilled players with question marks dropping is also a trend (see Schremp for example.)

I wouldn't write off their concerns, this kind of stuff could definitely cause him to drop. The playoffs will be huge for where he goes as they mention.