[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

People were crying last year because Kadri couldn't be traded and would nose dive this year, and that Andersson should have been traded before and would never be a good defenceman again. Yet here we are and Kadri is great and Andersson is way better than last season. So is Coleman for that matter.

Great, we got a gift these vets are playing good. Trade them while they have value and before they decline. Let's speed up this rebuild and get some assets for these aging players like Kadri and Coleman.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Great, we got a gift these vets are playing good. Trade them while they have value and before they decline. Let's speed up this rebuild and get some assets for these aging players like Kadri and Coleman.

You are missing the point.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

People were crying last year because Kadri couldn't be traded and would nose dive this year, and that Andersson should have been traded before and would never be a good defenceman again. Yet here we are and Kadri is great and Andersson is way better than last season. So is Coleman for that matter.

Why are you attributing what other people said to someone else? Pretty big leap in logic you’re making.

[Funkhouser]

Everyone's definition of success is different.

For many teams, the definition is consistent playoff success and challenging for the championship.

It is clear that the brain trust of the Flames view success as making the playoffs. By that marker, they see themselves as generally successful and intend to get back to this status soon.

For a fan of this team, this is disappointing.
The actions of this team over the next 7 months will determine whether I want to continue supporting them going forward.

[cannon7]

Flames won't be as bad as the Preds, even if they trade the vets.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Great, we got a gift these vets are playing good. Trade them while they have value and before they decline. Let's speed up this rebuild and get some assets for these aging players like Kadri and Coleman.

According to Friedman there have not been an good offers for those guys.

[ST20]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Everyone's definition of success is different.

For many teams, the definition is consistent playoff success and challenging for the championship.

It is clear that the brain trust of the Flames view success as making the playoffs. By that marker, they see themselves as generally successful and intend to get back to this status soon.

For a fan of this team, this is disappointing.
The actions of this team over the next 7 months will determine whether I want to continue supporting them going forward.

This is the saddest part. The Flames have 12 playoff appearances in 30 years with many of those appearances being first round exits. People like to talk about a "winning" culture. Winning is not culture. The Flames culture that influences everything they do is believing that just getting in the playoffs is enough. That has sadly resulted in abysmal decisions and much more losing than winning.

[SuperMatt18]

For me it's not about trading them sooner - it's more about being open and willing to shopping them and trying to trade them before the deadline this season.

Still think the market will pick up in January as teams want to take steps to bring guys in before the olympic break

[ComixZone]

Frank Seravalli on Frankly Hockey

- Maloney should not be allowed near a microphone
- Doesn't understand it, Flames fans are too passionate and too smart for interviews like this
- Effectively, the organization came out and spat in the face of the fans
- He understands why organizations rebuke the idea of the rebuild, however, Flames are 'organically' in their position, why do the Flames need to broadcast their desire to keep these players?
- Frank advice to Flames: "Do not let Don Maloney near a microphone"
- Frank: "The best, most clear path forward for the organization is to bottom out this year and get a top-5 player, and focus on the young core to open the new building
- Absolutely slams the Flames for not having Conroy under contract, and that it sends the wrong message. Praises Conroy, and just continues to roast the Flames organization for not having it done.

- Proceeds to mock Maloney's interview, and asks who is letting him near a microphone, everything he said flies in the face of what the fanbase wants - it's maleficence, this does not make any sense internally or externally.
- Frank notes this season is already dead for the Flames
- Closes with "Get Craig Conroy a contract extension NOW, the fact he doesn't have one is bananas"

Steinberg, Frank, and Francis have all come out and said the organization's path needs to change

Friedman has effectively reported, aligning with Maloney's interview, that the organization's path has not changed.

I'll add, we can debate this or that or whatever as fans - but I think this market deserves better. I think Jay Random, dino7c, and some of the others who endlessly defend the organization no matter what, alongside those of us who are screaming for change, we all deserve better from this organization. I'll always go back to some of Loubardias' final comments in his final year on the mic for Flames games: This organization needs to be held to a higher standard.

[edslunch]

Maloney….Treliving’s gift that keeps on giving

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Maloney….Treliving’s gift that keeps on giving

Maloney wouldn’t have his role with the team as Conroy’s boss if he wasn’t in sync with Edwards and the ownership group.

[Matty81]

It's the hope that kills you with the flames always and the little glimpse of hope for a top 3 pick, and the chance to lean more heavily into that path and make an early trade or two to really try to grab some high end talent and win a cup big picture was just another one of those scenarios where you start to dream a bit and it falls flat, albeit crappier than when you thought they're going to make a run at a cup and get crushed like in the early 90s, after 03-04 or the tkachuk/monahan/gaudreau era.

I'm kind of in the same boat as funkhouser above... if they keep together the veteran group, go on a run and draft in the 8-18 range personally might just step back from watching them so closely for a couple years, I'll always be a huge fan, but it just feels like they don't really have a plan to try and win a cup and it just doesn't feel like a good investment of time or money being on the road to nowhere with them. If Edwards doesn't care about winning a cup and is satisfied with squeaking into the playoffs, or even in wildest dreams stealing a round - why should we care?

Beyond that they're not tough, they're not skilled, just watching a talentless team devoid of high end offensive talent grind out wins on effort, while admirable, isn't that great even when the win.

I'd rather watch a rebuilding team that gets thumped every night but has some hope for the future. Anyway you can't run from it forever, I am sure in a couple of years they will end up with some good young players and be on the up. It felt a lot like this around the time Baerstchi was coming in and the cupboard was bare beyond him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We do not have a Celebrini, a Misa, or even a Will Smith. Obviously if we draft Mackinnon and get a top pick next year again we can revisit this, but this is not close to being a playoff roster.

Last year we got unreal goaltending and so many aging players had career years. That will not happen again, this team is not close.

We do have a Coronato though, who somehow is a much better hockey player than Eklund, who is also on the Sharks and was drafted higher in the same draft. It is almost like you can find elite players outside of top picks. Suspect Gridin will end up better than the majority of players drafted 4-10 in the 2024 draft.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Frank Seravalli on Frankly Hockey





Friedman has effectively reported, aligning with Maloney's interview, that the organization's path has not changed.

Not sure if this was Seravalli or your addition, but I don't think that's what Freidman said at all. He said there were no good offers at the moment, and Conroy was waiting.

All of these pundits are just piling on in response to very little. The fact of the matter is that only the Preds have fewer points than Calgary, and the Preds have played 3 fewer games (Calgary Edmonton and Boston have played the most games).

There is almost nothing the Flames can do to get a better pick outside of actively throwing games.

[calumniate]

Undefeated after the pep talk from coach Maloney Baloney!

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not sure if this was Seravalli or your addition, but I don't think that's what Freidman said at all. He said there were no good offers at the moment, and Conroy was waiting.

All of these pundits are just piling on in response to very little. The fact of the matter is that only the Preds have fewer points than Calgary, and the Preds have played 3 fewer games (Calgary Edmonton and Boston have played the most games).

There is almost nothing the Flames can do to get a better pick outside of actively throwing games.

How did I know this was going to be one of the 6 or so posters who are still defending the Flames. We get it, they can do no wrong ever lol.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Everyone's definition of success is different.

For many teams, the definition is consistent playoff success and challenging for the championship.

It is clear that the brain trust of the Flames view success as making the playoffs. By that marker, they see themselves as generally successful and intend to get back to this status soon.

For a fan of this team, this is disappointing.
The actions of this team over the next 7 months will determine whether I want to continue supporting them going forward.

That is what is crazy to me as well. Sneaking into the playoffs every few years isnt a successful franchise in my books.

I want a team that can contend for a cup. A respectable team that has a legit shot to win each playoff round. It's actually disgusting that ownership treats their fanbase like they are idiots.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Maloney wouldn’t have his role with the team as Conroy’s boss if he wasn’t in sync with Edwards and the ownership group.

Remember Conroy wasn't Edwards choice as GM. He offered the job to Maloney. Edwards is the problem. As long as Edwards owns the team, the next 15 years are going to look exactly like the last 15 years. He's going to die one day and what's his legacy as Flames owner going to be? Likely exactly what the Flames accomplished under him. Nothing. Such is life cheering for a team with a terrible owner.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

How did I know this was going to be one of the 6 or so posters who are still defending the Flames. We get it, they can do no wrong ever lol.

They've done plenty wrong, and when it happened I said so. I can make a list if you want.

I just don't have to make up the things I think they've done wrong. Or spin snippets of management quotes (or worse, third party hearsay) into things they've done wrong. I'm sorry, the fetal position doesn't agree with me.

You can't really back up an argument with facts, so you attack me.

[FanIn80]

The fact we still have not heard from Conny, and that no one from the Flames has come out to purposely mention anything about (as a sort of damage control), has me worried even more.