The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

The two teams were vastly different, Monohan and Johnny each matured a year.

Big changes up front colborne, hudler, jooris out - Brouwer, Versteeg, Tkchuck in.

He also had, better Goal tending then Ramo and Eliot - Hiller was better.\

That right there is significant.

Hudler had 35 pts in 53 games in 2015/2016 (basically the same as Tkachuk in a full season), Colborne had 44 pts (Versteeg had 37), and Jooris had 13 pts (Brouwer had 25 pts) - basically identical production, definitely not significant.

I don't understand what you're trying to say about goal tending... Hiller/Ramo were definitely a worse tandem than Elliott/Johnson, however you'd be insane to claim that we made the playoffs last year because we had good goal tending.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I don't see how Gulutzen is responsible for the 3rd line being terrible. No points and costing the team games.

Bennett needs to move to 4th line or press box. Center or wing he's struggled. Lazar is 4th line or press box as well. The issue then is who do we move onto 3rd line. Versteeg yes. Brouwer not sure if any better. Stajan, Hamilton, Glass are 4th line players. Jagr returning could help the 3rd line. Jankowski has been just ok and not making a strong case to stay up with zero points.

You can break up our top 2 lines to spread out but a struggling Bennett isn't going to help that unless he can help himself. He's the problem.

None of this is on Gulutzan.

I understand and acknowledge your opinion but disagree. I won't pretend to have any idea if Gulutzan is to blame for the 3rd line or Bennett's progression, or lack thereof.

However, this kid had loads of talent and was even showing it in early glimpses at the nhl level. It has kind of disappeared over the past year. I think it's in the flames interest to do whatever they can to have Bennett succeed. He is a critical piece to the rebuild. So I'm totally fine to see him make get, perhaps unwarranted, time in the top 6. I don't mind the line with him and jagr/Jankowski but ones a rookie and the other may be too old. Get him some prime skill players and I feel like his skill will definitely start to show/flourish.

I am still a strong believer that he's a player in a similar mold as Kadri. He can be extremely effective in providing offense and at the same time a gritty nuisance to play against. When he lacks confidence, both those areas of his game can disappear.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Dude, the your entire post is would've, could've been. All conjecture.

I am so surprised that you have no other response than to keep dodging the tangible evidence for improvement.

The most tangible evidence is how the season went, wins/losses, how deep into the playoffs the team made it.

This is demonstrably false, as has been pointed out to you numerous times now in the last two pages.

Advanced stats are a tool to look for how to improve a team, where a team is excelling and where another maybe lacking - advanced stats don't win games.

But all of this is useful data for ensuring that a team WILL win games, and as has been amply demonstrated to you several times now there are substantive reasons drawn from the underlying numbers to show that the Flames have played better than their record the past several games. They have been used to show you specific places where the team has in fact improved. But of course, because the facts do not promote your anecdotally derived opinion you will continue to plug your ears and ignore them.

The horse is dead, lets both stop beating the #### out of it?

I can't accept GG is a good coach and you can't accept he's a bad coach.

FALSE. I would agree that coaching has been poor if I saw enough evidence to demonstrate the point. There is not enough evidence because a 15% sample size of the season occurring in the most statistically volatile segment of the season is simply too small and far too unreliable. On the contrary, posters continue to point out to you places in which THE TEAM HAS IN FACT IMPROVED, but you are so arrogantly bound to your visceral impression of the coach that you cannot even acknowledge the possibility of the alternative.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

The two teams were vastly different, Monohan and Johnny each matured a year.

Big changes up front colborne, hudler, jooris out - Brouwer, Versteeg, Tkchuck in.

He also had, better Goal tending then Ramo and Eliot - Hiller was better.\

That right there is significant.

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I've posted the real stats , Wins/Losses and playoff success, or lack thereof. Everything else is conjecture...

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and.............. dodge!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and.............. dodge!

‘You said “dodge” twice.’

‘I like dodge.’

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and.............. dodge!

Originally Posted by Jay Random

‘You said “dodge” twice.’

‘I like dodge.’

Since we're on that movie, Matthew Tkachuk actually dressed up as Ben Stiller's character White Goodman this Halloween. Gotta dig his bar mustache.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba5Wbp-jA3K/

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Since we're on that movie, Matthew Tkachuk actually dressed up as Ben Stiller's character White Goodman this Halloween. Gotta dig his bar mustache.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba5Wbp-jA3K/

Bennett is elf, who is the Punisher?

[Backlunds_socks]

How many excuses in the past few posts, Elliot, Hudler, Colbrone, but i can't be the coach.

/discussion for me.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am so surprised that you have no other response than to keep dodging the tangible evidence for improvement.


This is demonstrably false, as has been pointed out to you numerous times now in the last two pages.


But all of this is useful data for ensuring that a team WILL win games, and as has been amply demonstrated to you several times now there are substantive reasons drawn from the underlying numbers to show that the Flames have played better than their record the past several games. They have been used to show you specific places where the team has in fact improved. But of course, because the facts do not promote your anecdotally derived opinion you will continue to plug your ears and ignore them.


FALSE. I would agree that coaching has been poor if I saw enough evidence to demonstrate the point. There is not enough evidence because a 15% sample size of the season occurring in the most statistically volatile segment of the season is simply too small and far too unreliable. On the contrary, posters continue to point out to you places in which THE TEAM HAS IN FACT IMPROVED, but you are so arrogantly bound to your visceral impression of the coach that you cannot even acknowledge the possibility of the alternative.

So advanced stats are, objectivley, more relevant then wins and losses?

[18YrOldSamBennett]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

Bennett is elf, who is the Punisher?

Kulak

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[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

How many excuses in the past few posts, Elliot, Hudler, Colbrone, but i can't be the coach.

/discussion for me.

It seems to me that in your mind wins are on the players and losses are on the coach.

Why, in your mind, is the team record after the 10-game win streak more significant than the 10-game win streak?

This season the team is 6-6; not terrible, not great.

You've pointed to Mike Smith's SV% as a reason why they won some games they shouldn't have. However, the team is shooting at 6.23% while league average is 8.11%. Shouldn't that help explain why they've lost some game they should have won?

The team is 7th in corsi for, 9th in shots for and 25th in shooting percentage. Those stats suggest to me that it's not a systems issue and therefore not a coaching issue.

If the Flames were shooting at a league average on even strength they would have 23-24 goals rather than 18. Is that a result of coaching?

The shooting percentage will eventually turn around. The team won't have a PK running at 33% forever. These are statistical anomalies that will eventually get ironed out.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

Bennett is elf, who is the Punisher?

Terminator?

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

So advanced stats are, objectivley, more relevant then wins and losses?

Can't they both be relevant? Why are you so determined to dismiss the advanced stats?

Yes, big picture wins are the most important thing. Advanced stats are a tool to help us understand why a teams wins or loses.

When you dismiss all other arguments besides "did my team win?" you remove any leeway for discussion. You simply want to declare yourself the winner without any regard for the other side.

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[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

So advanced stats are, objectivley, more relevant then wins and losses?

Over a small sample size of games I would say yes. Win/losses over 13 games compared to advanced stats which can be broken down into shifts. You can find statistical trends in advanced stats over the course of a couple games but until you have a much larger sample of games it is less relevant.

Advanced stats have shown to have good predictive value on the trend of a team and match the eye test coaches have been preaching for decades. Teams start winnin streaks before they start winning and start losing streaks before they start losing. Advanced stats have shown this.

12 games is hard to find any trends as there are a lot of variables that go into one game. 300 shots is much easier to identify usable statistics over the same time period.

[dabrit]

Fire the Gully bring back Jimmy Playfair

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

/discussion for me.

Thank goodness. Check win/losses at the end of the year. By then that stat will be extremely relevant. We shall see what this team is.

[Wyguy]

Think this should come up.

I am honestly starting to believe GG does not like winning. The only way to explain almost everything he does. Secretly an Oilers fan??

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Wyguy

Think this should come up.

I am honestly starting to believe GG does not like winning. The only way to explain almost everything he does. Secretly an Oilers fan??

You know what he really doesn't like? When you log off.

That would teach him.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Wyguy

Think this should come up.

I am honestly starting to believe GG does not like winning. The only way to explain almost everything he does. Secretly an Oilers fan??

I know you're joking... right?

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Wyguy

Think this should come up.

I am honestly starting to believe GG does not like winning. The only way to explain almost everything he does. Secretly an Oilers fan??

Or... the more likely scenario is that you're an Oilers fan trying to get us to turn on Gulutzan because he's actually a good coach?