It wasn't just FOX. And FYI, get it straight, you can't trust anything Obama OR Bush says. Or any other politician for that matter.
Believing blindly in government is foolish.
Ask Pat Tillman for example.
Look, it would be nice to think that the government found Bin Laden, (who was living in a mansion defending himself with helpless women human targets), shot him, took his body, had a lovely traditional Muslim funeral for him and sent him off to sea in a perfect white cloth (after obtaining DNA samples from him), (all perfectly done to preserve and respect the delicate senses of the islamic terrorists in the world) all within 8 hours- and it IS a great story of 'MERICA to strengthen morale and make everyone feel safe and free of a terrible tyrant. It's so convenient that the rules of the Geneva Convention have to be followed so no pictures of his corpse can be released (so far).
I guess I should just live in the world where it all makes sense- maybe the same world where the talking snake told two nudists to get out of paradise because the woman ate an apple. Or.. was it 7 little men and a wicked witch..and a poison apple? Or all of those WMD in Iraq that hundreds of thousands of people died for...Or maybe it was that Lee Harvey Oswald who shot JFK all by himself..alone.. or the president who did not have sexual relations with 'that woman'..or Pat Tillman and his heroic efforts and Silver Star after he was shot and killed by his own men..
I don't know why I am so darn cynical.
So if they did produce proof would you believe them? Or just write it off as them lying to you?
I hear ya, but honestly, there is no 'Right" way to dispose of his remains. There will still be an Al-Quada, there will still be Muslim extremists who hate the the west, there will still be war, and there will still be terrorist attacks. I grant you that it may increase the violence, but just because he is dead, doesn't mean that the violence stops.
Many will carry on their Holy War in his name now that he is dead, just as they did when he was alive.
They (Muslim extremists) never show the our soldiers, journalists or tourists that they kill any burial rights. They never show fear of us retaliating against them, so why should we show fear?
They didn't show any concern for our innocent civilians on 9/11, or suicide bombings, so why should we extend them the courtesy of not bombing zones that harbor terrorists for the fear of killing their innocent people.
Throwing him into the sea was the right choice, but there was no reason to broadcast to the whole word that you did it in the Muslim tradition.
We have to stand up for ourselves, our people, and our beliefs.
This violence won't be solved overnight, even with the death of bin Laden. It will take generations to weed out the hatred that he and his ilk have sewn in the idealistic, the ignorant, and the desperate. The traditional islamic rites and burial at sea show that even in the face of al-Qaeda's barbarism and inhuman methods, America refused to capitulate and stoop to the same level of barbarism. Very mature, very humbling, very honourable. It is what separates them from common thugs. When an oppressed civilian population gets caught between two factions, whom do you think they will run to for protection? The guys that have been spouting that America is evil and must be destroyed, the same guys that won't hesitate to grab you and put you between them and their guns? Or the guys you have been taught all your life are the enemy, who despite everything you've been told, refuse to fire upon anyone unarmed? You won't win any hearts of the enemy, but others caught between the two this and feel a pang of respect and appreciation that American's retained the dignity to give Osama the rites appropriate to his culture.
I agree, we have to stand up for ourselves, our people, and our beliefs. And among those beliefs is the cultural stigma that we don't use civilians as human shields, our women are equal in importance to men, and our soldiers to not desecrate the bodies of their enemies.
I'd like to add at this point that we all know perfectly well America's record isn't perfect. Civilian lives have been lost at their hands. Atrocities have been committed by both sides. Indeed, it's easy for me to sit safely and comfortably in my office chair and preach about honour, respect, and dignity when I have never seen a shred of military combat. Those values I preach offer little comfort to the soldiers that have had to witness their comrades in arms killed in combat, maimed by a roadside bomb, or executed in cold blood. We are all only human, and we are all weak. But this act, this ONE act of dignity and honour at the hands of the Americans is a BIG step towards setting things right.
Finally, the name eludes me at the moment, but one of our regular contributors has a signature: "Dear Lord, please help me be the person my dog thinks I am." Eloquent and appropriate in this situation, for the opposite is also true.
"Dear Lord, give me strength, courage and conviction, so that I may never become the man my enemies say I am."
Last edited by HeartsOfFire; 05-02-2011 at 04:31 PM.
It wasn't just FOX. And FYI, get it straight, you can't trust anything Obama OR Bush says. Or any other politician for that matter.
Believing blindly in government is foolish.
I don't know why I am so darn cynical.
Is believing in the Tea Party - or whoever tells you to "trust no one" - any different?
And by way of an observation, HEALTHY skepticism is one thing, demanding proof for everything is crazy. There is something seriously wrong if you feel you can believe nothing that you see on the news or hear from your government. Governments lie when it is to their benefit. As others have asked, what was the benefit for the government to delay this announcement a day, a week or an hour?
It wasn't just FOX. And FYI, get it straight, you can't trust anything Obama OR Bush says. Or any other politician for that matter.
Believing blindly in government is foolish.
Ask Pat Tillman for example.
Look, it would be nice to think that the government found Bin Laden, (who was living in a mansion defending himself with helpless women human targets), shot him, took his body, had a lovely traditional Muslim funeral for him and sent him off to sea in a perfect white cloth (after obtaining DNA samples from him), (all perfectly done to preserve and respect the delicate senses of the islamic terrorists in the world) all within 8 hours- and it IS a great story of 'MERICA to strengthen morale and make everyone feel safe and free of a terrible tyrant. It's so convenient that the rules of the Geneva Convention have to be followed so no pictures of his corpse can be released (so far).
I guess I should just live in the world where it all makes sense- maybe the same world where the talking snake told two nudists to get out of paradise because the woman ate an apple. Or.. was it 7 little men and a wicked witch..and a poison apple? Or all of those WMD in Iraq that hundreds of thousands of people died for...Or maybe it was that Lee Harvey Oswald who shot JFK all by himself..alone.. or the president who did not have sexual relations with 'that woman'..or Pat Tillman and his heroic efforts and Silver Star after he was shot and killed by his own men..
I don't know why I am so darn cynical.
What exactly in that scenario strikes you as being difficult to believe?
The worst part about threads like these are the conspiracy theorists.
Honestly when I read a conspiracy-related post I feel like punching my computer screen.
Nothing is more stupid than people actually believing in some conspiracies like 9/11 orchestrated by the U.S government, moon landing not real, or other popular subjects conspiracy theorists get brain washed by. I honestly think people who believe in conspiracy theories are the people we need to worry about. Their brains are not normal.
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9/11 never actually happened. There were never any World Trade Centres. These are false memories given to everyone via the water supply, thanks to the NWO. True story.
The worst part about threads like these are the conspiracy theorists.
Honestly when I read a conspiracy-related post I feel like punching my computer screen.
Nothing is more stupid than people actually believing in some conspiracies like 9/11 orchestrated by the U.S government, moon landing not real, or other popular subjects conspiracy theorists get brain washed by. I honestly think people who believe in conspiracy theories are the people we need to worry about. Their brains are not normal.
That America failed for so long to find and kill the devil who led us so successfully into temptation, who delivered us so fully to evil, has left an exceedingly proud people with a suppurating psychic wound. Shooting Mr bin Laden and dumping him in the sea may or may not make Americans safer. Maybe it marks the welcome end of an ugly era. Maybe it marks the start of a fresh cycle of vengeance and destruction. Who knows? Either way, Mr bin Laden's demise makes most Americans feel better. It seems to balance the moral scales, which is inherently cathartic. But it also helps us feel strong again. And, perhaps most importantly, it helps us convince ourselves that, in the end, we won the war against al Qaeda. That's something we seem to need to believe, whether or not it's really true. Here's hoping believing it helps. Here's hoping we finally call it a day.
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I don't see 9/11 or the moon landing in that list. Did I click it wrong?
Re-read puckluck's post and you should be able to answer that question for yourself.
The worst part about threads like these are the conspiracy theorists.
Honestly when I read a conspiracy-related post I feel like punching my computer screen.
Nothing is more stupid than people actually believing in some conspiracies like 9/11 orchestrated by the U.S government, moon landing not real, or other popular subjects conspiracy theorists get brain washed by. I honestly think people who believe in conspiracy theories are the people we need to worry about. Their brains are not normal.
I was just simply providing evidence that conspiracies are real and anyone who thinks they are still not going on is the brainwashed one.
