Sean FRICKIN Monahan

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Fist of all, I wasn't arguing for sending him down, just listing some facts

Second, I agree that trying to save a year of the ELC could actually backfire by costing them more in the long run.

However, I don't agree with the bold. It would be complete incompetence to simply not worry about contracts until the time came that they reared their heads.

True, but this early in the game we don't even know if a lot of these players will pan out as quality Nhl'ers.

My point is its too early to be making decisions on Monies playing status based on what may happen 3 to 4 years down the road.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by devo22

Friedman said the cap could go up to about $80m in 4 years, so I'm not worried about that at all. Even if he is too optimistic and it's at $75m in 4 years, it's still not a huge problem. We probably have Cammalleri and Stajan come off the books after that season, so the Flames will probably have to scramble to even reach the cap floor. The Flames surely won't have cap problems for a few years.

If the cap rises, so do contracts - it changes nothing

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If the cap rises, so do contracts - it changes nothing

just for fun and to outline my point ... even if we assume some heavily inflated contracts due to the rise of the cap, the following team would be comfortably below the cap in 2016/17 if we assume a $80m cap:

6.0 Bärtschi --- 7.0 Monahan --- 0.9 Poirier
6.0 Gaudreau --- 0.9 Jankowski --- 5.0 Stempniak
0.9 Klimchuk --- 4.5 Backlund --- 5.0 Hudler
1.5 Bouma --- 1.5 Reinhart --- 2.5 Galiardi
1.0 extra forward, 1.0 extra forward

5.3 Wideman --- 5.0 Brodie
4.0 Russell --- 5.0 Giordano
3.0 Sieloff --- 3.0 Wotherspoon
1.0 extra defenseman

4.5 Ramo
3.5 Gillies

That's $78m.

[Enoch Root]

that is all purely hypothetical of course, but even that illustrates my point...

in your example, Poirier, Jankowski, Klimchuk and maybe others would be due for a raise the next year but they are already at the cap

arguing this any further is pointless, but the Flames will be pressured by the cap within 4 years IMO - ignoring that and not planning ahead is just poor management

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by devo22

just for fun and to outline my point ... even if we assume some heavily inflated contracts due to the rise of the cap, the following team would be comfortably below the cap in 2016/17 if we assume a $80m cap:

6.0 Bärtschi --- 7.0 Monahan --- 0.9 Poirier
6.0 Gaudreau --- 0.9 Jankowski --- 5.0 Stempniak
0.9 Klimchuk --- 4.5 Backlund --- 5.0 Hudler
1.5 Bouma --- 1.5 Reinhart --- 2.5 Galiardi
1.0 extra forward, 1.0 extra forward

5.3 Wideman --- 5.0 Brodie
4.0 Russell --- 5.0 Giordano
3.0 Sieloff --- 3.0 Wotherspoon
1.0 extra defenseman

4.5 Ramo
3.5 Gillies

That's $78m.

It's exciting to see the potential line up of the future. Would be very happy to have that line up and those guys making that much money by then... It would be an indication that the prospects are fulfilling their potential.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

While it shouldn't be the reason he stays or goes, the contract issue shouldn't be so quickly dismissed.

Contract renegotiations (just looking at young players):

1 year: Galiardi, Bouma (yes, no biggie there, but it all adds up)
2 years: Backlund, Brodie, Baertschi
3 years: Monahan and Gaudreau (if he signs after this season - it would be a 2-year ELC)

Then there is the chance that one or two of the following group takes a big step forward:

Sieloff, Wotherspoon, Ramage, Berra, Knight, Colborne, Agostino, Reinhart, Horak (of course they are not all going to be big contract guys - I am saying one or two of them might be though)

Then maybe 4 years out, you're looking at: Poirier plus this year's top pick

And a guy like Gillies could be in the mix by then

Of course, there is no worries on the cap front for 2 or 3 years, but it will come. And it will come quickly.

Some prudent consideation now wouldn't be the worst idea.

Considering we'll be fighting to get to the cap floor for a few years it will be a nice change to have some players worth 6m+.
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Sven Baertschi ($6.000m) / Sean Monahan ($7.700m) / Emile Poirier ($5.000m)
Johnny Gaudreau ($5.500m) / Mark Jankowski ($4.750m) / Jake Virtanen ($0.975m)
Joe Colborne ($2.500m) / Mikael Backlund ($4.000m) / Markus Granlund ($2.750m)
Ben Hanowski ($1.800m) / Lance Bouma ($1.500m) / Michael Ferland ($2.500m)
Max Reinhart ($0.878m) /
DEFENSEMEN
T.J. Brodie ($5.500m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Tyler Wotherspoon ($2.000m) / Patrick Sieloff ($3.000m)
Christopher Breen ($1.500m) / Mark Cundari ($0.965m)
John Ramage ($1.000m) /
GOALTENDERS
Laurent Broissoit ($4.750m)
John Gillies ($1.750m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,338,333; BONUSES: $260,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $221,667




No worries we'll have 220k cap space assuming a 70m cap!

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

in your example, Poirier, Jankowski, Klimchuk and maybe others would be due for a raise the next year but they are already at the cap

true, but this has nothing to do with Monahan. In my example it's irrelevant if Monahans second contract starts in 2016 or in 2017.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by devo22

true, but this has nothing to do with Monahan. In my example it's irrelevant if Monahans second contract starts in 2016 or in 2017.

you' right - but again, I wasn't arguing about Monahan, just stating that the cap will in fact be an issue in a few years

I might even make the argument that the sooner we get Monahan on his 'full' contract, the less it will cost and the better off we'll be

[indes]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

you' right - but again, I wasn't arguing about Monahan, just stating that the cap will in fact be an issue in a few years

I might even make the argument that the sooner we get Monahan on his 'full' contract, the less it will cost and the better off we'll be

I agree with this for sure, while it is the Oilers and it will probably blow up in their faces, I thought they had the right idea. If by year 3 it's looking like Monahan is going to be a stud and worth 7.5m, I'd love to lock him up for 6.5-7m. It is a risk but in the cap era I think to be a contender you have to have good players on better contracts.

[Dan02]

Given that elite talent tends to sign long term contracts now after their ELC expires really makes it a moot point in this case for Calgary as for that season we're not likely to be a team at the cap ceiling anyways. Is having Monahan under a low cap contract for a extra year worth sacrificing a potential year of development to play in a league which is not going to challenge him?

I say no

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

While it shouldn't be the reason he stays or goes, the contract issue shouldn't be so quickly dismissed.

Contract renegotiations (just looking at young players):

1 year: Galiardi, Bouma (yes, no biggie there, but it all adds up)
2 years: Backlund, Brodie, Baertschi
3 years: Monahan and Gaudreau (if he signs after this season - it would be a 2-year ELC)

Then there is the chance that one or two of the following group takes a big step forward:

Sieloff, Wotherspoon, Ramage, Berra, Knight, Colborne, Agostino, Reinhart, Horak (of course they are not all going to be big contract guys - I am saying one or two of them might be though)

Then maybe 4 years out, you're looking at: Poirier plus this year's top pick

And a guy like Gillies could be in the mix by then

Of course, there is no worries on the cap front for 2 or 3 years, but it will come. And it will come quickly.

Some prudent consideation now wouldn't be the worst idea.

Bouma, Galiardi, Backlund shouldn't cost that much at all and if they do see you later and let them go.

Gaudreau is a huge if so not sure we need to worry about that.

For the list of prospects like most teams most of them will be not NHLers or tweeners so unlikely any big deals coming out of that group.

Outside of Monahan and maybe Baertschi there is no player on the team looking like they will need 6+ million that we couldn't can.

In the fake line-up by Devo you get rid of Hudler, Wideman, Backlund, Stempniak, Russell if they are making that much without huge improvements in their games and if they do make those huge steps to be worth the contracts then you trade some young guys or trade them.

The only way that the Monohan potential early contract hurts us is if we give out a lot of other bad contracts with it.

[Dan02]

But I am biased, I picked him up in my fantasy hockey league.

[shogged]

the kid is such a stud, we will see him in dallas no question

[Miniac]

6th NHL goal tonight! Just unreal!!!

[AC]

Messiahan.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Monahan looking very much like a young Joe Nieuwendyk. Great in front of the net and cashing in the stuff in tight.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Monahan challanged Lance Armstrong to a competition to see who had more balls. Monahan won by 6.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Monahan challanged Lance Armstrong to a competition to see who had more balls. Monahan won by 6.

A joke about cancer....

[AC]

Originally Posted by AC

Messiahan.

[Mightyfire89]

There's something creepy about that AC. Well done, but...