To be fair regarding Rey's history, Anakin was born from a nobody slave on an outer rim planet as well.
Yeah, that's the 'complaint' a lot of people have that I find is most easily dismissed. "The Force" is more than just the Skywalkers. It's not like Yoda or Mace Windu's last names were secretly Skywalker. There are more Force-capable folks out there than just them. That's kind of why Rey's parents never really mattered. The 'Star Wars Story' seems to be be 'plucky nobody from backwater nowhere planet becomes someone'.
What a bloated, overlong chore of a movie. The last half hour I was getting impatient for it to end.
Hollywood seems to have forgotten the art of pacing - how to make tight, focused action and adventure movies. The kind of movie that has been edited down to the bone, where every scene has an essential purpose - to drive the suspense and action forward.
The original was a classic because it's difficult to think of a single scene that could be removed or even tightened up without damaging the film. You could cut 30 minutes from the Last Jedi and it would still be essentially the same movie. And a better one for it.
The latest Star Wars films are following in the footsteps of the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, taking a straighforward premise and then stuffing it full of sub-plots, and piling action set-piece onto action set-piece, one after another after another after another after another. Why are the producers of tentpole franchises doing this? Is it because it's difficult to get people to pay $16 for a movie anymore, so you need to keep them in their seats for 2.5 hours or more to make them feel they got their money's worth?
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So something struck me last night. This movie just created a bit of a plot hole in Episode 4
They make it pretty clear in this movie that up until now tracking a ship through light speed is impossible.
At the end of Rogue One, Leia's ship jumps to lightspeed.
At the beginning of ANH (like 10 minutes later) she's being chased by Darth Vader's star destroyer.
How the hell did the Empire follow/track her to Tatooine?
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I don't know if I'd call that a plot hole. Just a question we don't know the answer to. Although I feel like it was probably answered at some point in the EU.
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So something struck me last night. This movie just created a bit of a plot hole in Episode 4
They make it pretty clear in this movie that up until now tracking a ship through light speed is impossible.
At the end of Rogue One, Leia's ship jumps to lightspeed.
At the beginning of ANH (like 10 minutes later) she's being chased by Darth Vader's star destroyer.
How the hell did the Empire follow/track her to Tatooine?
I don't think that this is a big deal since this movie takes place a decades in the future.
Remember that the Empire has been able to pull ships out of hyper-space when they made gravity well projectors canon in Rebels.
The one thing that they did say in Empire Strikes back when the Falcon hid in the garbage was to calculate all hyperspace routes since hyperspace routes in the GFFA are fixed routes like highways.
How ships would lose them is make a bunch of jumps. Kind of like taking side streets.
For example these are called the Perlemian trade routes
Basically the "Navcomputers" in Star Wars had all of these routes in their memory and when you wanted to go from one spot to the other it would calculate the safest and fastest routes.
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Saw Last Jedi for second time yesterday. Enjoyed it more the second time. I think the first time I had expectations of what was going to happen, and much of that didn't happen. This was a movie that challenged me the first time and it was uncomfortable. The second time, I suppose I knew where it was going and just enjoyed the ride. Still some parts that trouble me, but that is true for every Star Wars movie.
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So something struck me last night. This movie just created a bit of a plot hole in Episode 4
They make it pretty clear in this movie that up until now tracking a ship through light speed is impossible.
At the end of Rogue One, Leia's ship jumps to lightspeed.
At the beginning of ANH (like 10 minutes later) she's being chased by Darth Vader's star destroyer.
How the hell did the Empire follow/track her to Tatooine?
Leia was heading to tatooine to see obiwan and Vader, still in a rage over the rebels getting away with the stolen plans, was going to once again take out his frustrations on the sand people. It just so happens they coincidentally arrived at the same time and the rest is history. Pretty obvious when you think about it.
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It was funny, because I was watching ROTS and some times the transitions took too long so you got awkward 70's dramatic scene changes where people would freeze their faces for like 5 seconds.
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Watched itfor the second time the other day and enjoyed it much more. Looking past the cheesy super-Leia and the drawn out Rose Finn adventure I think its an excellent movie. I'm still a bit disappointed in the direction they sent Luke but I thought it was all well done. I suspect he'll have a role to play in the next movie.
I really enjoyed the Rey-Kylo exchanges/ story line and the scene(s) with them and Snoke might be amongst my favourite of all the movies. I almost jumped out of my seat in the second viewing when Snoke is splitsville and the guards leap to action. So well done.
Overall I quite liked it and can live with the direction they have sent things.
This may have already been covered in the thread, but were those the Jedi texts in the drawer of the falcon?
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Leia was heading to tatooine to see obiwan and Vader, still in a rage over the rebels getting away with the stolen plans, was going to once again take out his frustrations on the sand people. It just so happens they coincidentally arrived at the same time and the rest is history. Pretty obvious when you think about it.
The star destroyer seemed to easily overtake the rebel ship in that scene from ANH. In TLJ the first order was using brand new star destroyers. The rebellion was using the same old equipment. All ships in the future move at the exact same pace apparently. Once the rebel ship was down to a few ships, why didn't the first order send out the fighters?
TLJ seemed to create sets of rules as plot devices as it went along.
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I don't think that this is a big deal since this movie takes place a decades in the future.
Remember that the Empire has been able to pull ships out of hyper-space when they made gravity well projectors canon in Rebels.
The one thing that they did say in Empire Strikes back when the Falcon hid in the garbage was to calculate all hyperspace routes since hyperspace routes in the GFFA are fixed routes like highways.
How ships would lose them is make a bunch of jumps. Kind of like taking side streets.
For example these are called the Perlemian trade routes
Basically the "Navcomputers" in Star Wars had all of these routes in their memory and when you wanted to go from one spot to the other it would calculate the safest and fastest routes.
I don't know.
If it's that simple, why was it such a big deal in TLJ that they could now track them through lightspeed?
If it's such a simple thing (as it appears to be in ANH) then why was it
a) such a surprise the First Order found them so quickly
b) such a bid deal to shut down the tracker
The whole premise of the movie is that the Resistance can't get away because they can be tracked.
If Vader could find Leia so easily in ANH without a tracker, then why do they suddenly need a tracker to follow the Resistance now, and why would it make a difference when Fin and Rose shut it down?
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That's a new one. It sucks because it did well at the box office.
Ok then.
I was very obviously stating that box office does not directly correlate to a great movie; not that every box office success is crap. But you knew that...
You guys defend this movie like Nickelback fans, going off about sales numbers as if that will make everyone acknowledge that it has to be great!!
Just except the fact that you like the movie and many, many people don't and couldn't care 2 ewok turds about the box office.
So something struck me last night. This movie just created a bit of a plot hole in Episode 4
They make it pretty clear in this movie that up until now tracking a ship through light speed is impossible.
At the end of Rogue One, Leia's ship jumps to lightspeed.
At the beginning of ANH (like 10 minutes later) she's being chased by Darth Vader's star destroyer.
How the hell did the Empire follow/track her to Tatooine?
Maybe I need to re-watch it, but how do we know that the start of ANH is 10 minutes after Rogue One?
My interpretation is that Leia's ship jumps to light speed randomly (basically just to GTFO), then they kind of drift and figure out how to reconnect with the rest of the rebels, then Leia figures to try to get help from Obi-wan.
Vader has to get back to his own ship from the Rebel cruiser. They probably had to send scouts in every direction, trying to get intel on the outer worlds. With this interpretation, it seems like the ANH chase scene starts days/weeks after the events of Rogue One, when Vader finally gets some intel from a patrol/interrogation/scout as to where that ship was going and catches up with them.
I don't know.
If it's that simple, why was it such a big deal in TLJ that they could now track them through lightspeed?
If it's such a simple thing (as it appears to be in ANH) then why was it
a) such a surprise the First Order found them so quickly
b) such a bid deal to shut down the tracker
The whole premise of the movie is that the Resistance can't get away because they can be tracked.
If Vader could find Leia so easily in ANH without a tracker, then why do they suddenly need a tracker to follow the Resistance now, and why would it make a difference when Fin and Rose shut it down?
One thing too remember
The Empire could basically track ships through hyperspace.
In ANH, they planted a tracker on the Falcon which went through hyperspace and arrived at Yavin.
In AOTC, Obiwan planted a tracker on Slave One and then tracked him to Geonosis.
Maybe the First order figured out a way to track through engine signatures or something.
I tend to think that its a minor detail, the premise isn't great though.
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Maybe I need to re-watch it, but how do we know that the start of ANH is 10 minutes after Rogue One?
My interpretation is that Leia's ship jumps to light speed randomly (basically just to GTFO), then they kind of drift and figure out how to reconnect with the rest of the rebels, then Leia figures to try to get help from Obi-wan.
Vader has to get back to his own ship from the Rebel cruiser. They probably had to send scouts in every direction, trying to get intel on the outer worlds. With this interpretation, it seems like the ANH chase scene starts days/weeks after the events of Rogue One, when Vader finally gets some intel from a patrol/interrogation/scout as to where that ship was going and catches up with them.
If that's the case then the rebels aren't that smart. It's been a few weeks and it hasn't occurred to Leia to make a backup of the plans for the Deathstar?
It kind of has to be right away otherwise it makes no sense that there would still be 1 copy of the plans and it's on that ship.
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One thing too remember
The Empire could basically track ships through hyperspace.
In ANH, they planted a tracker on the Falcon which went through hyperspace and arrived at Yavin.
In AOTC, Obiwan planted a tracker on Slave One and then tracked him to Geonosis.
Maybe the First order figured out a way to track through engine signatures or something.
I tend to think that its a minor detail, the premise isn't great though.
That's kind of my point though. For the entire run of this series tracking ships hasn't been an issue, but suddenly it is, and the entire plot of the film hinges on it now being possible, but not only that, it's a surprise that it's possible?
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I think it would have been a more elegant solution if the FO had successfully implanted a 'traditional' tracker on the Raddus (perhaps that they've got a harpoonable tracker that they hit the Raddus with during what seems like a routine tie-fighter attack, but without the Raddus noticing), leaving the crew of the Raddus to wonder how the FO tracked them, whether there's an enemy agent aboard, etc. Maybe Finn gets suspected, because of his history. They still can't make a jump because they don't know how they're being tracked.
Really, that should have been the reaction on the Raddus anyway, rather than 'oh, this is clearly some new, revolutionary technology that we know little about. But while we're on the subject, here's how we need to go about shutting this totally new tech down.'
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There are more Force-capable folks out there than just them. That's kind of why Rey's parents never really mattered. The 'Star Wars Story' seems to be be 'plucky nobody from backwater nowhere planet becomes someone'.
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