2021 MLB Season Thread

[billybob123]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Both platforms work fine for me. I think what you may have been doing is selecting the Tampa Bay feed which is the one blacked out? The Boston feed is the international one that should work on all devices.

See, they clearly expected me to be competent enough to know to check both feeds. Yikes, I'm dumb. Works like a charm now. Thanks for the assistance, so much better than on PC. I take back all my angry comments earlier! Now just have to hope the Rays can pull this out.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Horrible break for the Rays, would have scored otherwise.

[flamingred89]

That was the worst call I've ever seen.

Of course it's the Red Sox.

Wow.

[flamingred89]

Obviously was a double putting the runners on 2nd and 3rd and then both would advance a base on the ball bouncing out of play off a player. Akin to him throwing the ball out of play. So Kiermaier should've been on 3rd and the runner shouldve scored. What a ####ing joke.

Id put money on the Red Sox winning this game now because of that. Just atrocious by the MLB to allow that.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I mostly want the Rays to win so I don't have to cheer for the Astros. Red Sox are simply the worst.

[flamingred89]

And the Sox walk it off. Right on script. What a joke.

I wonder if teams can still play under protest. Not sure what it would accomplish but there needs to be a light shone on that injustice.

[transplant99]

Nice.

[Inferno]

I wanted both teams to lose but after that I want Tampa Bay to win.

That was a pretty lame excuse by the MLB too. You're pretty much inviting players to swat a ball into the stands if it looks like the runner from first will score because they didn't have control.

[flamingred89]

Apparently this is the rule that the MLB used to explain the call on the field.

(8) Any bounding fair ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over or under a fence on fair or foul territory, in which case the batter and all runners shall be entitled to advance two bases;

Which I feel still doesn't explain what happened to the Rays. In my mind this would make sense if the ball never hit the ground. Like if it bounced off the wall and then Renfroe tried to field it before it hits the ground and the ball bounces out of play without hitting the ground.

But the ball hit the wall, hit the field of play, bounced up and then ricocheted out of play off of Renfroe.

Anyway. Either the worst call or the worst luck imaginable. I just hope the Rays can Ray and comeback and when this series against that Bull#### Red Sox team.

[GirlySports]

The White Sox have scored 2 runs this inning, still nobody out and i don't think the ball's gone 5 feet off the ground. 4 rollers for 3 hits and an error.

[KelVarnsen]

The commentary team is actually enjoyable to listen to

[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Apparently this is the rule that the MLB used to explain the call on the field.

(8) Any bounding fair ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over or under a fence on fair or foul territory, in which case the batter and all runners shall be entitled to advance two bases;

Which I feel still doesn't explain what happened to the Rays. In my mind this would make sense if the ball never hit the ground. Like if it bounced off the wall and then Renfroe tried to field it before it hits the ground and the ball bounces out of play without hitting the ground.

But the ball hit the wall, hit the field of play, bounced up and then ricocheted out of play off of Renfroe.

Anyway. Either the worst call or the worst luck imaginable. I just hope the Rays can Ray and comeback and when this series against that Bull#### Red Sox team.

Rule 5.05(a)(8) states: "Any bounding fair ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over or under a fence on fair or foul territory, in which case the batter and all runners shall be entitled to advance two bases."

That was the rule that was called, and it seems pretty plain to me that it was the right one.

[flamingred89]

But then the 2 bases should be awarded from when the incident happens and Diaz, who had already rounded 2nd base by the time the ball hit the wall, should've scored. It's a horrible rule/call/situation and it needs to be addressed going forward.

It's just funny now to see all the Sox fans come to the defense of the rule book and that it was the "right call". Like they're sticklers for the code. You know, after their team got caught cheating a couple years ago and no one talks about it. The Rays got jobbed by an outfielder making a poor attempt at the ball and they lost the game because of it.

[chummer]

No sour grapes from Kevin Cash, seems like a classy guy

[mrkajz44]

What confuses me about that rule is when guys that try to catch the ball and knock it over the fence (before it hits the ground), it's a home run. Is that not a "bounding ball" too? Or does it only become "bounding" once it hits the wall or the ground (but not a player...)?

Also, pace of play was brutal again:

Sox-Rays: 5:14 (extras)
Sox-Astros: 4:27

Almost 10 hours of baseball for two games? That's too much!

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[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

But then the 2 bases should be awarded from when the incident happens and Diaz, who had already rounded 2nd base by the time the ball hit the wall, should've scored. It's a horrible rule/call/situation and it needs to be addressed going forward.

It's just funny now to see all the Sox fans come to the defense of the rule book and that it was the "right call". Like they're sticklers for the code. You know, after their team got caught cheating a couple years ago and no one talks about it. The Rays got jobbed by an outfielder making a poor attempt at the ball and they lost the game because of it.

Whats the difference between the ball interfering with a fan or bouncing off the ground into the stands on a regular ground rule double and this? There was no intent from the player to deflect it out... Adding it to the countless runs called back because of a GRD. They lost the game because of it? They had another at bat. They struck out. Even if the run had stood they would've lost anyway assuming the rest of the game played out the same way.

No one ever talks about it because no one gives a #### about sign stealing in the regular season.

[flamingred89]

I think the biggest difference is the ball bounded in play, and would've stayed in play had it not hit the player. So they shouldn't penalize the hitting team because of a misplay by the fielder, regardless of intent. Renfroe took a bad route to the ball, got to close to the wall, and the ball hit him. If it doesn't hit him it bounces back into play and depending how far it goes Kiermaier could've even rounded the bases. So it's completely different than a standard ground rule double or fan interference(which has it's own set of replay rules to determine outcomes) because a fielder was directly involved and influenced the outcome. It's a dumb rule and there's still so much grey area about where to place the runners because it doesn't specify when the 2 bases should be awarded. I would expect the rule to be changed this offseason at the AGM's because it has now been put in the spotlight and hurt a team severely. Much like the famous Yankees fan interference against Baltimore in '96 changing how fan interference is interpreted.

It was a bit of hyperbole by me to suggest the Rays lost the game because of it but it would be ludicrous to suggest that the Rays losing out on a run in the top of the 13th inning in a tie game didn't have effect on the outcome of the game. If they score that run they don't pitch Patino, Zunino probably has a different approach for his AB, and the Red Sox have a completely different approach to their AB's. And who knows what the outcome would be. Maybe everything stays the same and Vazquez still walks it off with a 2 run shot. Doesn't change how horrible that call was.

[Drake]

You have to remove Duvall from the game. Maybe the roster. That is absolute inexcusable.

[GirlySports]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1447615833509875719

[Enoch Root]

The right call was made in Boston - pretty straight-forward rule.

Also, even if they were awarded an extra base, and one run scored, they still lose on the 2-run walk-off homer

There is no controversy here.

Also, #### Boston