Mace: is it legal in Calgary, where can I get some?

Detroit had over 441 murders in 2006.

Calgary had 26 in 2005.

I am not necessarily saying it's due to poor gun/weapon control but I would say it is certainly a contributing factor.

Originally Posted by maverickeastwood

Gun control doesn't work, the laws don't work and education is a joke. So now what? The self-defense laws are a farce and the judicial system is a revolving door. Point being, the field isn't level...I lawfully can't carry a weapon, they can. That can't be stopped, even with compounded laws.

Homicide rates and violent crime rates using firearms are incredibly low in Canada. I would say it does work.
Do you actually know what our 'self defense' laws are?
I don't quite understand why people want to carry weapons. So its an all out gun fight in Falconridge, Douglasdale, etc?

Originally Posted by maverickeastwood

If someone broke into my house, I pull a weapon, and cause harm or even death...I can be charged. I was told that if this was to happen, that the assailant has to be dispatched permanently. Even that can bring charges, with some difficulty though as there is no counter story.

This can be true even in the US. Point is, you can't go beating someone to death after you've subdued them, nor can you use a weapon that is prohibited by law.

Originally Posted by maverickeastwood

I'm a guy, so it's way different. If you want trouble (I live downtown, west side), you'll find it. As for females, get someone to walk with you. Otherwise get some bear spray or a knife if your comfortable with it's use. As for anecdotal evidence, does it matter? If it was you involved in a situation, your tune would change awful fast.

I don't get that comment.

[maverickeastwood]

-Homicide rates and violent crime rates using firearms are incredibly low in Canada. I would say it does work.
Do you actually know what our 'self defense' laws are? I don't quite understand why people want to carry weapons. So its an all out gun fight in Falconridge, Douglasdale, etc?

*The case in Langdon is a good point. If excessive force can be proven, you can be charged, even in other areas of town.

-This can be true even in the US. Point is, you can't go beating someone to death after you've subdued them, nor can you use a weapon that is prohibited by law.

*It is proven that people who are being attacked do not stop once they start...If it was you in a situation, you probably may not stop. Weapons have been fired to the last bullet or the knife multiple times. Thats where harm to life and property has to be proven.



-I don't get that comment.

*2 outta 3 ain't bad.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by maverickeastwood

Gun control doesn't work, the laws don't work and education is a joke. So now what? The self-defense laws are a farce and the judicial system is a revolving door. Point being, the field isn't level...I lawfully can't carry a weapon, they can. That can't be stopped, even with compounded laws.

Despite what the media would tell you, crime in Canada is decreasing. Gun violence isn't running rampant why do you think the laws don't work? Also the bold part doesn't make sense. Criminals can't legally weapons either.

If someone broke into my house, I pull a weapon, and cause harm or even death...I can be charged. I was told that if this was to happen, that the assailant has to be dispatched permanently. Even that can bring charges, with some difficulty though as there is no counter story.

You are stretching that. Bent Wookie covered it.

I'm a guy, so it's way different. If you want trouble (I live downtown, west side), you'll find it. As for females, get someone to walk with you. Otherwise get some bear spray or a knife if your comfortable with it's use. As for anecdotal evidence, does it matter? If it was you involved in a situation, your tune would change awful fast.

Bringing emotion into these issues doesn't help anything. There is a reason our justice system doesn't run on emotion. And no my tune wouldn't change I would never want to carry a weapon around.

Originally Posted by maverickeastwood

-Homicide rates and violent crime rates using firearms are incredibly low in Canada. I would say it does work.
Do you actually know what our 'self defense' laws are? I don't quite understand why people want to carry weapons. So its an all out gun fight in Falconridge, Douglasdale, etc?

*The case in Langdon is a good point. If excessive force can be proven, you can be charged, even in other areas of town.

-This can be true even in the US. Point is, you can't go beating someone to death after you've subdued them, nor can you use a weapon that is prohibited by law.

*It is proven that people who are being attacked do not stop once they start...If it was you in a situation, you probably may not stop. Weapons have been fired to the last bullet or the knife multiple times. Thats where harm to life and property has to be proven.



-I don't get that comment.

*2 outta 3 ain't bad.

Errr... i think you've proved my point. The case in Langdon is a good example.

Regarding the bold text. It is proven? I didn't know that. Maybe point me to the article.

[maverickeastwood]

I can't carry a weapon, they will.

-Thats better

If someone broke into my house, I pull a weapon, and cause harm or even death...I can be charged. I was told that if this was to happen, that the assailant has to be dispatched permanently. Even that can bring charges, with some difficulty though as there is no counter story.

-How is this statement stretching it? An officer mentioned this. Any officers here that can counter this?

I'm a guy, so it's way different. If you want trouble (I live downtown, west side), you'll find it. As for females, get someone to walk with you. Otherwise get some bear spray or a knife if your comfortable with it's use. As for anecdotal evidence, does it matter? If it was you involved in a situation, your tune would change awful fast.

-Emotion? I thought this was a pretty cut and dried statement. Obviously, you haven't been involved in something that involved you or your family.

[maverickeastwood]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Errr... i think you've proved my point. The case in Langdon is a good example.

Regarding the bold text. It is proven? I didn't know that. Maybe point me to the article.

It's known as "fight or flight". I'm done for now.

Originally Posted by maverickeastwood

(I live downtown, west side)

I'm east side yo... long live Tupac.

[maverickeastwood]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

I'm east side yo... long live Tupac.

I got Suge Knights number for your recording contract

[NSFL]

Phone idea is definitely good. Or get yourself a good whistle, not all whistles are made equal. If you have a friend that works at a pool, get them to order one for you. Those things are LOUD. Hold it in your hand on your walk. I used to work in the same area and I had to make the same walk as you do, had someone try to grab me, I blew that thing like nobody's business and he ran.

Originally Posted by maverickeastwood

It's known as "fight or flight". I'm done for now.

So there's an evolutionary/biological excuse for murder?

"It was fight or flight your honor- and I chose fight- to death."

[worth]

One of the main points I think we need to consider is that this young lady is concerned with crime on the walk from her work to her car. It doesn't matter what the crime rate is or how many gun deaths there are. I don't think there is anyone here willing to say there is no crime in Canada because that simply isn't true. Crime can happen to anyone, and the law has been set up so it is basically illegal to defend yourself from this crime.

In this thread we have discussed tactics to try to diminish being a victim of crime, but we have not legally found a solution where people can protect themselves using anything other than running away or trying to fight back with their own fists. And for most people, that is not an option.

There is something wrong when law abiding citizens don't feel safe, and the only solution is to move out of the area or find a different job. You can't have a police officer follow you around, so the option is to defend yourself. And that is very difficult to do so in this country legally, which is sad.

[atb]

Couldn't help thinking of this thread after what happened on the weekend
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...d-f6ba3b25bd64

[Thunderball]

Everyone always seems to complain that its unsafe, but when the potential solutions are bandied about, people tend to complain about those:

-Security Cameras in all Stations/Public Buildings etc. = Too Pervasive, BIG BROTHER!
-Concealed Carry laws = Slippery Slope! We'll kill each other!
-Capital and/or Corporal Punishment = Archaic! Won't solve anything!
-More Police = More police diverted to traffic department for fundraising, police can't be everywhere...
-More Social Programs for degenerates = Money for nothing, programs don't work...


Its sad to read these things, and its disgusting that in the richest city in one of the richest countries in the world, innocent women are being murdered waiting for a train. However, society needs to switch its priorities for anything to actually come out to curb violent crimes.