Violence in Gaza...

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

15 of the 19 were Saudi, but 19 of the 19 were all schooled in Wahhabi mosques.

yep. and richard reed and zaccharrious massoui were both crashed out at the brixton mosque in london, a steady producer of 70 IQ patsies.

brixton and finsbury mosques are the two most prevalent examples making london a MAJOR hub of international islamic terror.

i have seen many references to london in international intelligence data, as londonistan!

if we were serious aboot the war on terror we'd carpet bomb riyadh and london and stop turning secular states like iraq into terror factories.

Originally Posted by Azure

There is a saying...not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Wahabbists.

the major difference between islamic extremists and for example, the christian fundamentalists knocking off abortion doctors, is corporate / governmental organization and funding.

as for wahabbism it was organized and funded intially by the british against the turks like a century ago, and they kept finding uses for it.

no, it doesn't make extremist action #453853 directly briatin's 'fault' but for god's sake, why doesn't anyone question what might be going on now when our government funding used to run all these networks???

the brits were caught red-handed and outed by david shayler, publicly, for paying for an assassination attempt by al-quaeda on quaddafi in lybia, yet this was 'after' the 'big split' between CIA/MI6 and al-quaeda. hmmmm...

Originally Posted by Azure

So I echo your sentiments Looger, whats up with SA?

what's up with pakistan? it was in the new york times that mohammad atta received a $100,000 wire transfer directed by Mahmood Ahmed of pakistan's ISI, yet this same man was running around washington dc on 9/11 and for a week after - not arrested, not questioned.

the mumbai bombing is strongly suspected as ISI.

what the $hit is going on here???

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

Who said anything about ignoring them?

the people that keep feeding israel unlimited political backing and billions of dollars.

Originally Posted by Azure

Everyone knows what the Mossad does, they make freakin' movies about them already.

yeah - they really don't go too far in those movies.

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh, BTW, did you know 'someone' assassinated a Iranian nuclear scientist not that long ago?

yeah - but just like gerald bull, the mossad may be a prime suspect but they are not the only ones on THAT list!

Originally Posted by Azure

Like I said, those hard core Zionists, just like the hard-core Islamics, make up a small percentage of the population.

But they do make the biggest noise.

noise doesn't concern me so much as decisions in national policy.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Looger

let me ask you a question HOZ.

why is saudi arabia tolerated?

they have a lot of oil but let's be honest - so does kuwait, so does iraq, and the US has troops in those countries and they could just take it, so let's put oil aside for a moment.

saudi wahabbist money is responsible for the LION'S SHARE of the capital required to construct the new mosques in western europe, pakistan, and other places around the world with large numbers of disadvantaged disaffected muslim youth. and guess what kind of imams get installed in these mosques? radical ones!

15 of the 19 hijackers on september 11th were saudi.

side note: j. michael springmann, head of the consulate in jeddah saudi arabia, denied visas to 15 of the hijackers and was overruled by the CIA. here's a presentation by him:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...ael+springmann

anyway, back to saudi arabia. they foster more terror worldwide with more money, public and private (that line's pretty blurry there anyway!)than any other mideast country.

but yet, they're our best bud in this 'war on terror'!

got another question for ya.

if this war on terror is so serious, why are 2000 mexicans / central americans sneaking past the border every day? why have funds been de-allocated from border patrol? why aren't they tightening up the border? why are the fences they're building equipped with drainage ditches underneath every mile that you can walk upright under? why are border guards going to jail for shooting mexican drug dealers in the ass?

what the hell has to happen before you figure this out???

This is a Palestinian problem. There lives have been poisoned by hatred long before the Saudis(and Iran) started funnelling their brand of toxin. There was Egypt long before Saudi Arabia too.

The Palestinians have suffered thanks mainly to stupid and corrupt leadership since... forever. I mean the last election they had, they had a choice between more corruption or psychopathic death cult. Oh boy!

That said the Palestinians have decided to brew in their hatred. It has been their choice. They choose to continue to hate the Jews and blame them for everything from bad weather to bad hair days. Ity has poisoned their lives to such a pathetic degree.

Palestinians have NEVER missed an opportunity to miss and opportunity. Why accept 96% of what you want when you can take 0% and keep on killing Jews?


The Blacks in South Africa who were once far more oppressed and had far less prospects of succeeding are now masters of their destiny.

The decisions by their leadership in comparison to the Palestinians is stark. Comparing success of each is impossible as the Palestinians have had NONE. One continues to play the victim why the other decided to lead from the front.

[Looger]

would all colonized peoples just lay down and die, eh?

and my question was aboot saudi arabia, but eh whatever. we all know what you think of 'them'.

EDIT: it stuns me greatly.

people A move into and displace, kill, ethnically cleanse people B.

people B shoot back, and are terrorists.

what does that make people A?

never mind, you're probably late for two-minutes-hate on FOX.

[eazyduzzit]

It's amaizing what western oriented media can do to people, It's quite clear most people only look at one side of the story and see it as such.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

It's amaizing what western oriented media can do to people, It's quite clear most people only look at one side of the story and see it as such.

Like yourself as an example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect

The study:

http://www.journalism.wisc.edu/mpi/g.../mediabias.pdf

Cowperson

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Like yourself as an example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect

The study:

http://www.journalism.wisc.edu/mpi/g.../mediabias.pdf

Cowperson

No...not myself.

I've witnessed things through my own eyes first hand. I tend not to rely on the media. If you believe the media is balanced when it comes to this issue, you are so far from being right.

Any time these debates arise, it's always blame the Arabs, blame Syria, blame Palestinians. Israel gets away with everything.

Referre to my previous posts.

[Azure]

I'm pretty sure most of the people who posted in this thread have placed equal blame on both sides.

And I think we all know who started the most recent serious conflict, and who was supporting them.

[Looger]

i will NEVER place 'equal blame' on those defending their homes from invasion, and i cannot believe you'd misrepresent me like that.

'equal blame' - pretty stupid concept to people that aren't even allowed to live on their own land.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm pretty sure most of the people who posted in this thread have placed equal blame on both sides.

And I think we all know who started the most recent serious conflict, and who was supporting them.

Agreed...and it seems there are some posters think that since one group has been wronged it is ok for that group to do the same. If the Palestinians are the real victim....shouldn't they do the honourable thing and work peacefully toward their goal?

I guarantee that if Isrealis no longer got blown up in market places or missiles fired into their neighborhoods.....there would be no military intrusions into Palestinian territories.

[Looger]

'right and wrong'

ha. good one.

more like - clear villages and kill civilians, and I GUARANTEE it will happen the other way in kind.

what makes the israelis 'right' for initiating this cycle of violence, i have no idea - oh yeah money, influence, and the boob tube.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

'right and wrong'

ha. good one.

more like - clear villages and kill civilians, and I GUARANTEE it will happen the other way in kind.

what makes the israelis 'right' for initiating this cycle of violence, i have no idea - oh yeah money, influence, and the boob tube.

Where did I say they were "right"

[Azure]

Actually Looger, as I see it, you're advocating the right for these suicide bombers to blow themselves up in Israeli territory, because their homes were taken away from them, or because Israel receives support for the US, or because Israel did something wrong in the first place.

Two wrongs do not make a right, and I GUARANTEE, as long as the Arab countries around Israel have the mindset of destroying a LEGAL, UN-ordained nation, peace will never become a reality.

The stupidity of the fundamental groups opposing Israel, is far greater then the stupidity of these 'Zionists.'

Perhaps we should look here..

http://arabsforisrael.com/home.html

Plus, Israel took control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, while defending its existence from the Arab nations around them? After the UN ordained Israel as a legal, and sovereign nation, why couldn't the nations around Israel accept that? Why did they declare war?

There are more then a million Arabs living as free citizens within Israel. They are even part of the political process. Israel accepts them, as a people, and as a government.

The hatred and stupidity on one side, outweighs the recklessness on the other side. And as long as there is hatred and calls such as those from the President of Iran to get rid of Israel, there will never be peace.

Might I add..

http://www.adl.org/Israel/israel_attacks.asp

The site has record of over 150 terrorist attacks against Israel. Innocent? Right? Wrong?

Perhaps we should look here...

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terr...errisrael.html

Right? Wrong?

Oh right, Israel deserves this...its all part of the boob tube.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

Actually Looger, as I see it, you're advocating the right for these suicide bombers to blow themselves up in Israeli territory, because their homes were taken away from them, or because Israel receives support for the US, or because Israel did something wrong in the first place.

really? that's interesting. tell me what else i think!

Originally Posted by Azure

Two wrongs do not make a right, and I GUARANTEE, as long as the Arab countries around Israel have the mindset of destroying a LEGAL, UN-ordained nation, peace will never become a reality.

great, two wrongs don't make a right. so what. i cannot blame people that fight back. never in a million years. not ever.

Originally Posted by Azure

The stupidity of the fundamental groups opposing Israel, is far greater then the stupidity of these 'Zionists.'

stupidity comes in bunches. the anger that fuels fundamentalism comes from the actions of zionism.

Originally Posted by Azure

Perhaps we should look here..

http://arabsforisrael.com/home.html

i could direct you to http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ or to rabbi lerner or the yearly (just happened 2 weeks ago) 10,000s of jews that protest israel's existence in new york.

Originally Posted by Azure

Plus, Israel took control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, while defending its existence from the Arab nations around them? After the UN ordained Israel as a legal, and sovereign nation, why couldn't the nations around Israel accept that? Why did they declare war?

if you think this started in 1948, i can see why you are having trouble here. this started in 1897. that's when war was declared on the arabs living in palestine. situations like that usually work themselves out but the balfour declaration of 1917 got the united states into the war on the side of england, who thus signed over palestine to the zionists.

england appointed a king to speak for all arabs and yelled at him until he signed.

most jewish settlers were honestly there to 'make the desert bloom' and i'm fairly certain from reading up on it that they truly wanted peace with their neighbours.

trouble was, there were violent extremist paramilitary terror organizations that cleared villages, blew crap up, and began a reign of terror on the palestinian arabs.

this is all WAY before palestinian arabs started fighting back, WAY before the grand mufti of jerusalem (a friend of hitler's) started directing reprisals, WAY before - 1948.

Originally Posted by Azure

There are more then a million Arabs living as free citizens within Israel. They are even part of the political process. Israel accepts them, as a people, and as a government.

true. in fact a friend of mine married one of them.

Originally Posted by Azure

The hatred and stupidity on one side, outweighs the recklessness on the other side. And as long as there is hatred and calls such as those from the President of Iran to get rid of Israel, there will never be peace.

that ahmedenijad quote is not even close to correct, it amazes me that crap has to be made up in order to demonize iran when it's supposed to be some mad-dog rogue state.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Why is it Looger that you always use this 1897 date? Why don't you go back to the times when there was an Israeli nation run by the jews around 1000BC?

[Looger]

first zionist conference.

look it up.

EDIT: i have now addressed everything i need to here, you're asking me questions i answered pages ago. later.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Looger

great, two wrongs don't make a right. so what. i cannot blame people that fight back. never in a million years. not ever.

Well theres your problem.

You're advocating the right for those suicide bombers to kill innocent people, because they're fighting back. There are a million other ways to fight back, and they don't involve killing innocent people.

Blame Israel for their collateral damage, but give free reign to these suicide bombers who are defending their homeland. Alright!

[Looger]

what?

suicide bombers are people out of options. i have no idea where you are getting this 'i'm giving them the right to' bull$hit.

the reality of the situation is that when you do what the israelis have done to the palestinians, and the zionist extremists before them, there is only one response you can count on. what makes this 'right' i leave to you.

what the hell is wrong with you Azure, and why do you make $hit up?

your posts were improving markedly, i take back my compliments. you've slipped back to crap.

[Azure]

Read your own comments Looger..

i cannot blame people that fight back.

I cannot blame suicide bombers...because they're fighting back. Right?

What the hell is wrong with you?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

what?

suicide bombers are people out of options. i have no idea where you are getting this 'i'm giving them the right to' bull$hit.

the reality of the situation is that when you do what the israelis have done to the palestinians, and the zionist extremists before them, there is only one response you can count on. what makes this 'right' i leave to you.

what the hell is wrong with you Azure, and why do you make $hit up?

your posts were improving markedly, i take back my compliments. you've slipped back to crap.

NO...they are people who have been brain washed into thinking they are out of options. Even if they had no other recourse.....you think the only option is to blow your self up along with a bunch of other people??

Right

I guess the 911 suicide attackers ran out of options???