What the US religous right says about Canada.

[troutman]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/15/...abin/index.html

Patrick Guerriero, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, said Democratic presidential nominee Kerry was "not wise" to refer to the daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney during the answer to a question about homosexuality during a presidential debate Wednesday night. (Special Report: America Votes 2004, the debates)

But he said Republicans "who are expressing outrage at the debate comments really have been outrageous themselves."

"The reality is the type of outrage that is being expressed by some Republicans should be expressed at themselves. They've decided to use gay families as wedge issues across America in swing states -- that is truly outrageous," he told CNN's "American Morning."

[Cowperson]

An interesting question for the panel:

"It's not uncommon to see a straight man later in life turn to homosexuality but has anyone heard of a homosexual later in life turning into a straight man?"

In other words, its common enough through upbringing and cultural pressure to want to pass yourself off as straight, only to turn the corner later. But are their straight guys who live a gay life and then realize they like women after all?

Cowperson

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 15 2004, 07:07 PM
An interesting question for the panel:

"It's not uncommon to see a straight man later in life turn to homosexuality but has anyone heard of a homosexual later in life turning into a straight man?"

In other words, its common enough through upbringing and cultural pressure to want to pass yourself off as straight, only to turn the corner later. But are their straight guys who live a gay life and then realize they like women after all?

Cowperson

Well, the question of Bisexuality could come into play here, as (apparently) there are men who like to sleep with both men and women. If a gay guy had sex with a woman, but is STILL attracted to men (heck, maybe women too) then at best he is bisexual.

Also, the second part of your question might be a little off. I'm pretty sure 99% of 'families' in society assume they're kid, at infancy, is straight. Maybe some don't, but I've a feeling most parents will instinctually treat they're kid as straight (ie blue stuff for boys, pink for girls). Most people are simply raised with the parental assumption that they're straight. Few 'families' assume that they're infant is gay, and try to raise them in a homosexual lifestyle.

The point there is that everyone is raised to be straight (or most of us). If you're gay, then you'll 'switch team's. If you 'switch' back, it'd be pretty odd for you to all of a sudden dislike men (sexually), despite having several voluntary sexual encounters.

If your question is seeking examples... I've known a couple gay guys, and none appeared to be wavering as to their sexual orientation.

Like I said, bisexuality is the easy answer the the question.

[troutman]

"It's not uncommon to see a straight man later in life turn to homosexuality but has anyone heard of a homosexual later in life turning into a straight man?"

I see one problem with that statement. The man in the first part was never "straight", just pretending to be "straight". He doesn't suddenly turn to homosexuality.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by troutman@Oct 15 2004, 07:33 PM
"It's not uncommon to see a straight man later in life turn to homosexuality but has anyone heard of a homosexual later in life turning into a straight man?"

I see one problem with that statement. The man in the first part was never "straight", just pretending to be "straight". He doesn't suddenly turn to homosexuality.

Wow. That's a way shorter way to write down what I had in my brain, you hit the nail on the head! :P

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by troutman@Oct 15 2004, 07:33 PM
"It's not uncommon to see a straight man later in life turn to homosexuality but has anyone heard of a homosexual later in life turning into a straight man?"

I see one problem with that statement. The man in the first part was never "straight", just pretending to be "straight". He doesn't suddenly turn to homosexuality.

I think you misunderstood. I agree he was never "straight."

I personally know examples of chaps who grew up, got married had kids and then divorced because they simply weren't "straight," later living openly as gays.

What I was seeking was examples of the opposite. "Do we know of any men who were openly gay early in life and later decided they were living a lie and they liked women all along, thereby deciding to live "straight?."

What if he was never "gay?" (eliminating the guys who might switch teams back and forth - bisexual - at a whim).

Cowperson

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 15 2004, 07:51 PM
What if he was never "gay?" (eliminating the guys who might switch teams back and forth - bisexual - at a whim).

Cowperson

Lol, then he probably had to endure some uncomfortable and awkward situations!

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Oct 15 2004, 07:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Oct 15 2004, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Oct 15 2004, 07:51 PM
What if he was never "gay?" (eliminating the guys who might switch teams back and forth - bisexual - at a whim).

Cowperson

Lol, then he probably had to endure some uncomfortable and awkward situations! [/b][/quote]
See? You NEVER see that situation.

It implies to me that being gay is a fairly natural thing which you gravitate towards in spite of cultural pressure not to.

And if you're straight - you'll probably be straight from day one.

Cowperson

[troutman]

I see. I suppose that is possible, but must be extremely rare. Why would anyone pretend to be gay and put up with all of the hate and intolerance that gay people endure, if they were straight all along?

[Agamemnon]

Cow, Troutman. We're just padding our post-count now, I think we're all on the same page

(ahem, post # 370)

Agreed, if you're born straight, you'll die straight. Has anyone even really disagreed with this in the thread?