Suzuki ready to hang em up

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You mean when he rides his bike to the ferry terminal to get to the mainland from his environmentally sustainable house?

I have SEEN with my own three eyes this myth of david suzuki on the bus. He rides the #4 from ubc to his house, when he isn't riding his bike or driving his prius. The #4 is even an electric trolley bus for gods sake.

What you might see as an arrogant know it all, most of the rest of canada sees as a 70+ year old biologist who has dedicated his life to the subjects he's 'dropping in' about.

Did you ever think the reason this biologist lives on an island is to maybe...enjoy the natural world around him that has been largely destroyed on the mainland?

BUT OH MY GOD HE WANTS TO SAVE ENDANGERED SPECIES! LOCK HIM UP!

Who needs Spotted Owls and the 27 different species of animal (and the literal hundreds of species of plant) that rely on the owl anyway? What a bunch of saps. It's their own fault if they can't live in destroyed habitat. If owls were so special, they'd live in subsidized housing, am I right?

most of the islands in and around the lower mainland are off limits to development. Him living there does not save owls. Thats crazy talk.

[anyonebutedmonton]

He doesn't have to swim from his island, he has taught birds how to carry him in their claws. He is planning on expanding this type of eco-helicopter for a large consumer market soon. Just think how much fossil fuels will be saved !!!!

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

He doesn't have to swim from his island, he has taught birds how to carry him in their claws. He is planning on expanding this type of eco-helicopter for a large consumer market soon. Just think how much fossil fuels will be saved !!!!

That makes it sound like we're closer to living like the flinstones than the jetsons.

Dibs on the Dinosaur.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

most of the islands in and around the lower mainland are off limits to development. Him living there does not save owls. Thats crazy talk.

You're obviously over your head here.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You make the mistake of seperating humans and environment as if they work independently from each other and even conflictingly aginst each other.
It seems you have the idea that environmentalists only care about flowers and not humans.
The realitiy is most of them are concerned about the environment because of the effect it has on our spouses, children and those around us.

For reasons other have already stated, there are important economic/human reasons to take care of the environment and severe economic/human consequences if we don't.

They do work independently of each other --- thus the problem. We as humans do stuff that isnt' in synch with the environment and we have progressively tried to stop doing that where it is possible.

But ya know we have a society that is up and running and we can't just all go out and live on islands and live off the land. We have to balance it out -- Yep we are going to continue to pump oil and tear apart places like the Tar Sands till somebody figures out some other way to move around --Hydrogen or something else.

Yep we are going to keep on pulling coal out of the ground to keep ourselves warm among other things. We are going to keep on doing a whole lot of things. In the meantime yes we need to keep an eye on the longterm and make sure there is a longterm. But we don't need to sign idiotic pieces of crap like Kyoto when we have no legitimate options or affordable ones of implementing an accord like that.

And scare mongering enviro's are way too often too shrill to get their message across.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by fotze

How did the fisheries get lost, I am genuinely curious. I thought it was from fisherman/companies fishing too much.

Well, they aren't lost. Yet. Over the last 50 year, atlantic fisheries have seen a 90 percent (99 in some parts) loss of predatory fish. It's caused by overfishing mostly, but also pollution of their environments. Both are results of lack of functional environmental policy.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

Same goes for the Uni's. I doubt Haskayne will be giving out an honourary degree anytime soon.

They do give out honorary degrees for contributions made to Haskayne. They just give out a Dr of Law instead.

example. Flames owner Murray Edwards

"Edwards is president and owner of Edco Financial Holdings, a co-owner of the Calgary Flames, and a leading investor in and a managing director and executive chairman of numerous publicly traded companies."

"He established the N. Murray Edwards Market Information Centre in the Haskayne School of Business, which provides realtime financial information for business students and faculty."

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

They do give out honorary degrees for contributions made to Haskayne. They just give out a Dr of Law instead.

example. Flames owner Murray Edwards

"Edwards is president and owner of Edco Financial Holdings, a co-owner of the Calgary Flames, and a leading investor in and a managing director and executive chairman of numerous publicly traded companies."

"He established the N. Murray Edwards Market Information Centre in the Haskayne School of Business, which provides realtime financial information for business students and faculty."

lol i know...i meant to dr. david

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You're obviously over your head here.

You're obviously under the impression Federally Protected Environmental zones dont work to protect owls.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You mean when he rides his bike to the ferry terminal to get to the mainland from his environmentally sustainable house?

I have SEEN with my own three eyes this myth of david suzuki on the bus. He rides the #4 from ubc to his house, when he isn't riding his bike or driving his prius. The #4 is even an electric trolley bus for gods sake.

What you might see as an arrogant know it all, most of the rest of canada sees as a 70+ year old biologist who has dedicated his life to the subjects he's 'dropping in' about.

Did you ever think the reason this biologist lives on an island is to maybe...enjoy the natural world around him that has been largely destroyed on the mainland?

BUT OH MY GOD HE WANTS TO SAVE ENDANGERED SPECIES! LOCK HIM UP!

Who needs Spotted Owls and the 27 different species of animal (and the literal hundreds of species of plant) that rely on the owl anyway? What a bunch of saps. It's their own fault if they can't live in destroyed habitat. If owls were so special, they'd live in subsidized housing, am I right?

Like I said and you of course failed to read so you could do your rant about owls over people is that give us all a environmentally friendly house on our own island and I will go and enjoy nature as well. Heck give me the money for that hybrid car instead of my old piece of junk and I'll go with that as well. Heck give me money and I'll quit my job and go join the environmentalists.

But I live in the real world where you drive what you can afford, you live where you can afford a house and you drive from there to work. Only one example of choices that most of us make.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Well, they aren't lost. Yet. Over the last 50 year, atlantic fisheries have seen a 90 percent (99 in some parts) loss of predatory fish. It's caused by overfishing mostly, but also pollution of their environments. Both are results of lack of functional environmental policy.

Rubbish. Most were not having the balls to protect them. We let trawlers fish our waters for years. We should have had the NAVY and the guts to chase them off. Nothing to do with an environmental policy --- It was lack of resource management and the balls to stand up to countries that were overfishing our resources.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

Scientific = environmental point of view
Literary = Authors, scholars, etc. with an expertise in nature and/or environmentalism. Same goes for the Uni's. I doubt Haskayne will be giving out an honourary degree anytime soon.

"Oh sure, he's got a lot of science awards, but those are just from scientists".

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

His idea's are revolutionary and he's clearly got a handle on where our world has to turn towards in terms of the environment, however it gets back to the 'practice what you preach' stuff. Why should I do something that someone tells me to when said person does not feel he needs do it himself?

So let me get this straight -- you aren't going to do something you know to be right because this person that you've never met doesn't (to your mind) practice what he preaches? Is that really how you live your life?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Like I said and you of course failed to read so you could do your rant about owls over people is that give us all a environmentally friendly house on our own island and I will go and enjoy nature as well. Heck give me the money for that hybrid car instead of my old piece of junk and I'll go with that as well. Heck give me money and I'll quit my job and go join the environmentalists.

But I live in the real world where you drive what you can afford, you live where you can afford a house and you drive from there to work. Only one example of choices that most of us make.

Ok, so how does david suzuki lobbying government (and people to force government) to make those things feasible for you to have have a negative efect on your life?

Suzuki doesn't spend his days telling you you're stupid for not owning a hybrid, he spends his days telling you that you should make it your priority to convince government that these are important policies to implement and are worth subsidizing to get them in the majority of Canadian households.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Rubbish. Most were not having the balls to protect them. We let trawlers fish our waters for years. We should have had the NAVY and the guts to chase them off. Nothing to do with an environmental policy --- It was lack of resource management and the balls to stand up to countries that were overfishing our resources.

so tell me again how the prevention of overfishing is not environmental policy?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

But I live in the real world where you drive what you can afford, you live where you can afford a house and you drive from there to work. Only one example of choices that most of us make.

1. Reduce home energy by 10%
2. Eat meat-free meals once a week
3. Buy a fuel efficient, low-polluting car
4. Choose an energy efficient home and appliances
5. Stop using pesticides
6. Walk, bike or take transit to regular destinations
7. Prepare your meals with locally produced food
8. Choose a home close to regular destinations
9. Support alternatives to the car
10. Get involved, stay informed



Which of those are impossible, in the real world? You crab about how you can't do this because "in the real world, money is limited" but every one of those suggestions actually saves you money, in the real world.

I took them directly from his site. His advice is to pick three of them and do them for a year. Not quite giving up on the modern world, is it?

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

so tell me again how the prevention of overfishing is not environmental policy?

I'm sorry but I can't help your lack of understanding of resource management nor of the lack of sufficient resources committed to our navy by the government(almost entirely during Liberal party reign) to enforce our management of those resources.

The actual environment those fish live in not even being addressed.

The problem a whole lot bigger than just the environment.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

1. Reduce home energy by 10%
2. Eat meat-free meals once a week
3. Buy a fuel efficient, low-polluting car
4. Choose an energy efficient home and appliances
5. Stop using pesticides
6. Walk, bike or take transit to regular destinations
7. Prepare your meals with locally produced food
8. Choose a home close to regular destinations
9. Support alternatives to the car
10. Get involved, stay informed



Which of those are impossible, in the real world? You crab about how you can't do this because "in the real world, money is limited" but every one of those suggestions actually saves you money, in the real world.

I took them directly from his site. His advice is to pick three of them and do them for a year. Not quite giving up on the modern world, is it?

Very funny. Where do I get the money to buy 3 and 4? 6 not an option.

1. I do what I can. 2. Fart who dosen't -- meaningless. 5. As in what -- In my five foot green space? 7. If they sell it at Safeway and it's on sale cheaper than the other products then no problem.

8. That's priceless. Yeah no problem. I'll head out and buy a home based on it being close to work. Hmmm and if the houses just happen to be way the fart over what I can afford.

Everyone of them saves you money -- Beyond total BS.

Oh I forgot. I'll do 2,5 and 7. Wow I'm an environmentally friendly guy now!!!

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

"Oh sure, he's got a lot of science awards, but those are just from scientists".

Basically yes, I'm dismissing the worth of these awards. He got them from people that think the same way he does...So yes within that community of thinkers, he's done things outstanding - but not everyone thinks the way environtmentalists do.

So let me get this straight -- you aren't going to do something you know to be right because this person that you've never met doesn't (to your mind) practice what he preaches? Is that really how you live your life?

I said he thinks in a direction that our world needs to have, some of his viewpoints I could agree with - others not so much. As for the 'how I live my life' question...it seems your asking because you're out of topic specific arguements and are beginning to generalize...but I'll respond whatever the case. I live my life based on the idea that no one is above anyone else. If I'm told something is to be a certain way, general speaking, should i not be able to assume that person also must live by those rules? Obviously there are exceptions, but activities which are environmentally conscious are not.

[White Doors]

The Atlantic fishery, especially COD, was wiped out by politics and lack of will to confront international overfishing.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Very funny. Where do I get the money to buy 3 and 4? 6 not an option.

1. I do what I can. 2. Fart who dosen't -- meaningless. 5. As in what -- In my five foot green space? 7. If they sell it at Safeway and it's on sale cheaper than the other products then no problem.

8. That's priceless. Yeah no problem. I'll head out and buy a home based on it being close to work. Hmmm and if the houses just happen to be way the fart over what I can afford.

Everyone of them saves you money -- Beyond total BS.

Where do you live, on the moon? You can't walk anywhere? There is no transit system?

Nobody is saying you have to run out and buy a new set of appliances and a new car.

Unless you plan on keeping the current car you are driving for the rest of your life, then you can certainly buy a car that is more fuel efficient. I'll explain how -- next time you buy a car, buy one that is fuel efficient. Now was that so hard?

And don't give me this "I can't afford a fuel efficient car" nonsense. The cheap cars aren't the gas guzzlers.

The same thing holds for appliances -- next time you need one, get one that is energy efficient. They are cheaper too.

You seem to have some idea in your head that using less costs more. That doesn't make sense.