[Rumour] Francis: All contract talks on hold for Flames

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

It stated not a burn it down, but a retool.

I doubt they will make a trade in the next 4-6 weeks anyway, nobody will really have the cap room at this point in the season anyway. Not too worried myself about the retool language. After the murderers row that is the schedule from American Thanksgiving to Christmas this team could be so far out of the playoff race that retool quickly becomes "holy Christ, we are awful, it has to be a rebuild".

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's optimistic!

Being a fan is fun huh?

Just trying to communicate to the organization that I am not happy with a half-assed retool where we force ourselves to trade for roster players rather than what this team actually needs.

Don't overthink it.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nine games should not change the course of the team’s plan. That’s a problem. If it takes only nine games to make you change your mind in your strategic plan, then your plan was crap to begin with.

Who said 9 games changed Conroy's plan? Maybe Conroy had a plan to restructure but was convinced to "wait and see" after 10 games. Clearly all talking heads weren't on the same page.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Francis has a direct line to Murray Edwards, so this is coming from the top.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I doubt they will make a trade in the next 4-6 weeks anyway, nobody will really have the cap room at this point in the season anyway. Not too worried myself about the retool language. After the murderers row that is the schedule from American Thanksgiving to Christmas this team could be so far out of the playoff race that retool quickly becomes "holy Christ, we are awful, it has to be a rebuild".

I agree that they probably won't make any trades until at least US Thanksgiving, but I don't agree that no one has the cap room. Lindholm is $4.85M, retain half, and that's less than $2.5M, with the number decreasing daily. So acquiring Lindholm would only require moving a contract in the $2-2.5M range, and most teams probably have a young guy on a 2nd contract that would fit that bill, for whom they would trade to get Lindholm.

Exact same argument for Hanifin.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I don't understand. You want us to sign and/or keep all of the aforementioned pillars?

No... I don't want a "retool". To me a retool just sounds like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic... it sounds like Sutter's insane collection of former 20 goal scorers in a futile slapdash desperate attempt to get 2 playoff home games.

I don't want the Flames to trade for anyone over the age of 23.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I agree that they probably won't make any trades until at least US Thanksgiving, but I don't agree that no one has the cap room. Lindholm is $4.85M, retain half, and that's less than $2.5M, with the number decreasing daily. So acquiring Lindholm would only require moving a contract in the $2-2.5M range, and most teams probably have a young guy on a 2nd contract that would fit that bill, for whom they would trade to get Lindholm.

Exact same argument for Hanifin.

Most of the league is over the cap and using LTIR to get by day to day. What team that wants a rental has cap space.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Adapt? You make decisions on players and contracts while you have control. The player has all control now. This is a Treliving level mistake. Get the player signed before the season starts or get the player traded. Don’t let the problem sit there and get worse.

Hanifin and Lindholm will be very attractive players in a trade, regardless of how their first few games have gone.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Parallex

No... I don't want a "retool". To me a retool just sounds like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic... it sounds like Sutter's insane collection of former 20 goal scorers in a futile slapdash desperate attempt to get 2 playoff home games.

I don't want the Flames to trade for anyone over the age of 23.

That should be the golden rule of their retool, nobody above the age of 23, preferably 22 or younger.

[traptor]

To me rebuild implies selling everything you can. This wouldn't stop at the UFAs. It would also include moving any guys with value like like Markstrom, weegar, andersson and mangiapane.
You're committed to the fact that you probably won't be competitive for atleast 5 years. You may even be actively trying to tank for a couple a few of those years.

E.g. Chicago, devils and Buffalo

I highly doubt this is the direction the flames will take.

A retool implies moving out some pieces (most likely the UFAs) to change up the mix and trying to be competitive next season or the season after.

This is probably what the flames are hoping for.

Hopefully they move these guys out for futures/young players atleast and not hockey trades.

E.g. stars, kings and rangers.

[Tbull8]

If it’s not top picks it better be young players with potential still, like Lafreniere

[Enoch Root]

Let's not confuse 'plan' with 'script'.

Some (well, Lanny) think this means the team doesn't have a plan, but what they are really suggesting is that the plan should be written in ink and should never have to change. But that is wildly unrealistic, when you're dealing with people and trying to build a team.

A 'script' says 'this is what we are going to do'. A 'plan' has multiple contingencies, and occasionally requires pivoting. Especially in a situation like the Flames are in, where they have multiple UFAs, and they need to determine how many of them they re-sign.

Personally, I am very glad to hear they have made this decision (and I think it is exactly the decision they needed to make)

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I agree that they probably won't make any trades until at least US Thanksgiving, but I don't agree that no one has the cap room. Lindholm is $4.85M, retain half, and that's less than $2.5M, with the number decreasing daily. So acquiring Lindholm would only require moving a contract in the $2-2.5M range, and most teams probably have a young guy on a 2nd contract that would fit that bill, for whom they would trade to get Lindholm.

Exact same argument for Hanifin.

That scenario would put the Flames over the cap.
.

[Igottago]

Great news. I'm not sure why they differentiate between a complete tear down vs retool, that is a little concerning....doesn't trading these players pretty much indicate a tear down?

Anyways, welcome news, definitely the right decision from management at this point.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Most of the league is over the cap and using LTIR to get by day to day. What team that wants a rental has cap space.

My post literally showed what would be required for them NOT to be rentals

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nine games should not change the course of the team’s plan. That’s a problem. If it takes only nine games to make you change your mind in your strategic plan, then your plan was crap to begin with.

Maybe the mandate from ownership changed? Doubt Conroy has any more autonomy than Treliving did.

[Beninho]

Thank ####

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That scenario would put the Flames over the cap.
.

no it wouldn't

[neo45]

Encouraging news. It sucks to watch them play this badly but it’s going to lead to better days

Sutter would have them playing .500 and trending towards a first round exit or playoff miss. Is that better long term? Who isn’t tired of seeing that outlook?

[Enoch Root]

I don't think people should get too hung up on retool vs rebuild - it's literally the first step in a new direction and no one knows where it will end up. The fact that they are making this assessment shows that they are more open to flexibility and change than they have been in the past.

Let's see how it plays out.