[Signing] Kings sign Kopitar to 2 year extension ($7 mil AAV)

[Snuffleupagus]

As a player on no planet should Lindholm be mentioned in the same breath as Kopitar.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

As a player on no planet should Lindholm be mentioned in the same breath as Kopitar.

Kopitar has had a far better career. And did so at the same age Lindholm is now. But he’s just not that far above Lindholm stats-wise at this point in their respective careers. Sorry if that’s upsetting.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kopitar has had a far better career. And did so at the same age Lindholm is now. But he’s just not that far above Lindholm stats-wise at this point in their respective careers. Sorry if that’s upsetting.

Offensive stats are for Oiler fans, but even by stats it is 0.88 vs 0.69 PPG. it's not close, Kopitar has been a better player by a long shot.

Upsetting? that's just crazy, I would take 2 years of a 35 year old Kopitar @ $7m over 8 years of 29 year Lindholm @ even $7m every day of the week.

Lindholm at $9m for 8 years would be an epic fail and there's not one argument that makes sense to me.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Offensive stats are for Oiler fans, but even by stats it is 0.88 vs 0.69 PPG. it's not close, Kopitar has been a better player by a long shot.

Upsetting? that's just crazy, I would take 2 years of a 35 year old Kopitar @ $7m over 8 years of 29 year Lindholm @ even $7m every day of the week.

Lindholm at $9m for 8 years would be an epic fail and there's not one argument that makes sense to me.

You are (a) not comparing stats at the same point in their career and (b) assuming you can take 2x$7M for Kopitar. You can’t. He’s taken a huge discount for a retirement contract. It’s this assumption that ruins the analysis. At this point in their careers Kopitar was making $10 million per season and was taking up something like 12.5% of the cap.

[Enoch Root]

Of course Kopitar has been the better player. That isn't up for debate.

However, when it comes to the decision of Kopitar for the next 2 years at $7M (or likely quite a bit more than that to come to Calgary), or Lindholm for the next 2 years at $8.5 to $8.75M, that is a different conversation. And I would be happy to have either one of them, though I think Lindholm is the better choice.

Some of you are way too focused on 8 years from now. So much will change between now and then.

[Sylvanfan]

Let's face it Kopitar likely plays for the Kings...or no one else so the 7 million contract here really is not that comparable. This is his retirement contract....something only stupid teams hand out instead of maximizing their assets...9 years since the Kings last won the cup...two first round ass losses to the Oilers and set up more as a midfield playoff team for the next couple years...at least that's how most would assess a Flames team who's past 8 seasons had been like the Kings if you put the two cup wins aside.

Still when it starts next season it's at the start of his age 37 season. So by the time Lindholm starts his age 37 season it would be the final year of an 8 year contract extension. So from whatever the cap his next year if the league averages 3.5% growth 7 million in next years cap space would be equal to 8.96 by that time. So Lindholm in the last year of that deal would have a similar salary to Kopitar. But the first 7 would be at a much lesser cap percentage.

If you evaluate a Lindholm extension in the 8x8.8 range on its own, I think it's palatable. But if it's one of your 4 contracts to players in similarity age ranges...it's one of the better of that bunch, but it's not a very good quartet of contracts unless Huberdeau went back to being a 100 point guy and Kadri is a 70 point guy with more consistent snarl in his game. I expect both guys will be better next year, Huby in particular. But not that level better.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Let's face it Kopitar likely plays for the Kings...or no one else so the 7 million contract here really is not that comparable. This is his retirement contract....something only stupid teams hand out instead of maximizing their assets...9 years since the Kings last won the cup...two first round ass losses to the Oilers and set up more as a midfield playoff team for the next couple years...at least that's how most would assess a Flames team who's past 8 seasons had been like the Kings if you put the two cup wins aside.

Still when it starts next season it's at the start of his age 37 season. So by the time Lindholm starts his age 37 season it would be the final year of an 8 year contract extension. So from whatever the cap his next year if the league averages 3.5% growth 7 million in next years cap space would be equal to 8.96 by that time. So Lindholm in the last year of that deal would have a similar salary to Kopitar. But the first 7 would be at a much lesser cap percentage.

Plus, the expectation is that it will be more like 5% per year, which only strengthens your point

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Offensive stats are for Oiler fans, but even by stats it is 0.88 vs 0.69 PPG. it's not close, Kopitar has been a better player by a long shot.

Upsetting? that's just crazy, I would take 2 years of a 35 year old Kopitar @ $7m over 8 years of 29 year Lindholm @ even $7m every day of the week.

Lindholm at $9m for 8 years would be an epic fail and there's not one argument that makes sense to me.

Not to mention, it's easier to score in today's NHL than 7-8 years ago when Kopitar was Lindholm's age.

[Jason14h]

Flames fans talking themselves into Lindholm being in the same stratosphere as Kopitar and Bergeron - two first ballot hall of famers, is amusing

Lindholm is an average first line Center , but really should be an elite 2nd line Center on a Stanley Cup contender

Flames need a Center like Kopitar or Bergeron to allow Lindholm to slot onto the 2nd line ideally

We just never have had that Center since we won the cup

[Hackey]

If the signing made sense I don't think you'd need to try and justify it by saying the cap will go up therefore it wont look so bad in the future. If the Flames were a contender by all means sacrifice the future for the present but they've already done that enough. Maybe a wait and see approach is best. If everything clicks this year then consider an extension. If it doesn't then 100% deal him. Knowing the Flames luck they'll be first in the division, sign Linholm for 8 years, get booted round 1, then be back to missing the playoffs the next year and firing the coach.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I wonder if Savard can unlock more to Lindholm offensively 5 on 5.

He is not going to be Kopitar or Bergeron not many players are.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Flames fans talking themselves into Lindholm being in the same stratosphere as Kopitar and Bergeron - two first ballot hall of famers, is amusing

Lindholm is an average first line Center , but really should be an elite 2nd line Center on a Stanley Cup contender

Flames need a Center like Kopitar or Bergeron to allow Lindholm to slot onto the 2nd line ideally

We just never have had that Center since we won the cup

No one said this

[jayswin]

Haha, maybe look back at dissentowner and couple others.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Haha, maybe look back at dissentowner and couple others.

dissentowner has not even posted in this thread.

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

dissentowner has not even posted in this thread.

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Dissentowner has posted on Lindholm vs Bergeron, that was the assertion.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I wonder if Savard can unlock more to Lindholm offensively 5 on 5.

He is not going to be Kopitar or Bergeron not many players are.

If Huberdeau can feed him in the slot the way Johnny did, he'll score 40 again. His positioning and release is world class. It doesn't just go away. It's about utilization and execution.