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To trade down from 14 to 21 and miss on players like Vasilevskiy and Wilson while taking Jankowski who’s turning into a tweener this year if he can’t find a landing spot is a bad bad miss. Especially when the one asset you acquired in trading down played 2 NHL games and is inactive… as a high 2nd round pick. It was a bad setback for this club in many ways. Having Tom Wilson riding shotgun with Monahan and Gaudreau through their formative years at the NHL level would have been unreal. Or having a goalie like Vasilevskiy this whole time opposed to the carousel the past 8 years would have been a game changer too.
That's some hindsight drafting...like I said most of the GMs that year are the same or worse in round one.

Sure you can look back and say so and so would be better. Can do that every draft. The entire league wishes they drafted Vasilevskiy
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Old 10-09-2021, 12:08 PM   #42
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That reminded me of this collision between Gilmour and Dave Lowry, that ended Dougie’s career.



Gilmore did look a bit worse for wear than Ovi
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Old 10-09-2021, 12:42 PM   #43
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That's some hindsight drafting...like I said most of the GMs that year are the same or worse in round one.

Sure you can look back and say so and so would be better. Can do that every draft. The entire league wishes they drafted Vasilevskiy
Lots of times, you can point to a one player that should have been the clear pick over who was selected.

Ie Brodeur over Kidd.

There are five players who for sure are better selections than Jankowski just between 14-21.

Tom Wilson
Vasi
Teravainen
Hertl
Laughton

Then between 22-30, Maatta and Tanner Pearson would’ve been better picks.

Seven viable NHLers were available (who collectively have 8 rings between them).

It’s not garden variety incompetence, that’s a Jay Feaster/John Weisbrod platinum special.
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Joe Colborne 2.0… And to think he could have been Joe Nieuwendyk! My god Feaster/Wiesbrod were an outrageous GM combo.
Putting aside the Niewendyk comment they weren't wrong on the player. Not many 20+ overall picks score 15 in back to back seasons.

And there wasn't a whole lot taken after him.

But the hyperbole was over the top.
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Old 10-09-2021, 02:15 PM   #45
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Putting aside the Niewendyk comment they weren't wrong on the player. Not many 20+ overall picks score 15 in back to back seasons.



And there wasn't a whole lot taken after him.



But the hyperbole was over the top.
They were wrong in the sense they traded down and passed over other quality prospects because they got so caught up in their own hype machine. Smartest guys in the room and came off really smug. Not sure where that kind of arrogance came from but you generally don't see NHL executives acting like fan boys, gushing over a guy like that. Embarrassing time to be a fan of this team.

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Old 10-09-2021, 02:49 PM   #46
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Lots of times, you can point to a one player that should have been the clear pick over who was selected.

Ie Brodeur over Kidd.

There are five players who for sure are better selections than Jankowski just between 14-21.

Tom Wilson
Vasi
Teravainen
Hertl
Laughton

Then between 22-30, Maatta and Tanner Pearson would’ve been better picks.

Seven viable NHLers were available (who collectively have 8 rings between them).

It’s not garden variety incompetence, that’s a Jay Feaster/John Weisbrod platinum special.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=117845

Not a lot of the guys on your list were talked about at the time.
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That reminded me of this collision between Gilmour and Dave Lowry, that ended Dougie’s career.



Gilmore did look a bit worse for wear than Ovi
Ovi looks like he took a skate up in the leg there.

What was the injury on Dougie that ended his career? Like, what specifically happened? Hard to tell from that play.
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Not a lot of the guys on your list were talked about at the time.
Just going by memory, but I think Teravainen was dropping and seemed like the guy a lot of people had the Flames taking.

Oh well. It's impossible to know how different the team would be today as transactions would have been a lot different after that point.
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Not a lot of the guys on your list were talked about at the time.
That's a great poll showing how much hindsight comes into these discussions.

I imagine if I dig through that old topic I'm not going to see a lot of CPers bringing up the names they bring up today.

And I'm not a Feaster fan ... all GMs get judged with the benefit of hind sight. Gets tiring.
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Not a lot of the guys on your list were talked about at the time.
Every single one of them was more talked about than Mark Jankowski.
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Every single one of them was more talked about than Mark Jankowski.
Not if you read through the old topic he posted.

Jankowski gets some love. Only one mention for Valisevsky. None for the other players that everyone covets with hind sight.
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Obviously hind sight is 20/20 all I’m saying is the timing of missing on that draft and to GreenLanterns point the amount of better players we ended up passing on in the pursuit of Jankowski is really quite painful to consider of course after hindsight. That draft, the Baertschi draft the prior year where we landed Gaudreau in the 4th and the Monahan draft the following year after taking Jankowski really delayed growth with the core of our prospects IMO. If we had even one more impact player from those 3 drafts emerge alongside Gaudreau and Monahan I don’t think we have as many good then bad seasons and coaching turn over as we’ve had.
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Not if you read through the old topic he posted.

Jankowski gets some love. Only one mention for Valisevsky. None for the other players that everyone covets with hind sight.
Bob McKenzie’s final draft ranking had Teravainen (7), Maatta (10), Wilson (18), Hertl (19), Vasilevskiy (24), Laughton (28), and Pearson (29).

Any one of those picks would’ve been acceptable at 14, and anyone still available at 21 would’ve still justified trading down to pick up a 2nd.

When you pick the 42nd ranked skater (IIRC), declare he’s going to be the best player in the draft in a decade, and 9 years later he’s not even in the league, it’s just another example of Feaster and Weisbrod trying to be clever.

Only they were never clever. It wasn’t clear they even knew the rules of their own sport.
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Ovi looks like he took a skate up in the leg there.

What was the injury on Dougie that ended his career? Like, what specifically happened? Hard to tell from that play.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article772249/

Hyperextended his knee and tore his ACL and MCL

This was when he returned to Toronto, was pushing 40 if I recall correctly, and was planning on retiring at year end.

The incident was in March and I think the article is from that September

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Bob McKenzie’s final draft ranking had Teravainen (7), Maatta (10), Wilson (18), Hertl (19), Vasilevskiy (24), Laughton (28), and Pearson (29).

Any one of those picks would’ve been acceptable at 14, and anyone still available at 21 would’ve still justified trading down to pick up a 2nd.

When you pick the 42nd ranked skater (IIRC), declare he’s going to be the best player in the draft in a decade, and 9 years later he’s not even in the league, it’s just another example of Feaster and Weisbrod trying to be clever.

Only they were never clever. It wasn’t clear they even knew the rules of their own sport.
Declaring him the best player was dumb...the fact that we can only name a handful of better players with hindsight is telling though. Wasn't the worst pick in history or even that drafts first round.
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Bob McKenzie’s final draft ranking had Teravainen (7), Maatta (10), Wilson (18), Hertl (19), Vasilevskiy (24), Laughton (28), and Pearson (29).

Any one of those picks would’ve been acceptable at 14, and anyone still available at 21 would’ve still justified trading down to pick up a 2nd.

When you pick the 42nd ranked skater (IIRC), declare he’s going to be the best player in the draft in a decade, and 9 years later he’s not even in the league, it’s just another example of Feaster and Weisbrod trying to be clever.

Only they were never clever. It wasn’t clear they even knew the rules of their own sport.
From 2004 to 2012, they got ONE first rounder right. It’s not just Feaster….wonder if there was one common scout for all that… 🤔
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From 2004 to 2012, they got ONE first rounder right. It’s not just Feaster….wonder if there was one common scout for all that… 🤔
I tend to think first rounders are where the scouting staff gets overruled by the GM more often. I can’t imagine Chucko was the pick of the staff.
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I tend to think first rounders are where the scouting staff gets overruled by the GM more often. I can’t imagine Chucko was the pick of the staff.
Yeah but GMs are given a list to pick? They just don’t pick it from the hockey news like we do?
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Yeah but GMs are given a list to pick? They just don’t pick it from the hockey news like we do?
I think Janko was not on a list. His family connection caught Feaster’s attention.

I have no clue how Chucko ended up on the radar, playing Junior A in BC.
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