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Old 10-01-2005, 10:46 PM   #41
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Don't you live in Calgary? You can't smoke in coffee shops or on the patio in this town. Restaurants are, I'm sure, 99% smoke free now. I think if you allow smoking you can't allow minors in.

I understand your argument and actually would have agreed with you but I think it's outdated now. The city is practically smoke free. It's a lot easier to list the places you can smoke (bars) than you can't smoke (everywhere else).
oh, it still happens... people still light up. I do agree it is alot better now, but still a p*ss off the odd time iit happens.
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Old 10-02-2005, 01:36 PM   #42
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Smoking p*sses you off? Don't smoke. Don't go where you know people will be smoking.
I should have to watch where I go to accomodate to smokers? That's crap. Why should I have to take in second hand at the bar because it's overly friendly to smokers. I enjoy going to many places where smoking is allowed.
The smokers there are killing both themselves and me, and I'm the one who should have to change my lifestyle?

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You don't want to pay the healthcare costs for smokers? Maybe Joe Blow doesn't want to pay for the guy who broke his leg playing shinny because hey, it's his fault and he willingly played shinny. Maybe Joe's wife doesn't want to pay for little Sally's asthma treatments because Sally's dad drives a Hummer to work everyday. Maybe RougeUnderoos doesn't want to pay the medical bills for some teenager who drove his Cavalier into a fire hydrant. Maybe Bob Lunchpail doesn't want to pay for Shirley Secretary's Carpal-Tunnal treatment because she spent her days gabbing on Messenger.
We either have universal medical care or we don't. Which way do you want it?
Did you read my post, or just hit reply?
As I stated already, I wrote that health care ommision bit out of frustration and don't actually want it happen.
YES, I want universal health care.
And once again you have drawn up a number of examples of accidents, which do not equate to intentionally hurting yourself (and others) by smoking.
Shinny, driving, and typing are not deadly by design, but only in excess or by chance.
Can you give an example of a single other activity, which is damaging in all forms?
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Old 10-02-2005, 01:52 PM   #43
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I should have to watch where I go to accomodate to smokers? That's crap. Why should I have to take in second hand at the bar because it's overly friendly to smokers. I enjoy going to many places where smoking is allowed.
The smokers there are killing both themselves and me, and I'm the one who should have to change my lifestyle?



Did you read my post, or just hit reply?
As I stated already, I wrote that health care ommision bit out of frustration and don't actually want it happen.
YES, I want universal health care.
And once again you have drawn up a number of examples of accidents, which do not equate to intentionally hurting yourself (and others) by smoking.
Shinny, driving, and typing are not deadly by design, but only in excess or by chance.
Can you give an example of a single other activity, which is damaging in all forms?
"Why should I have to change my lifestyle"?

Why should they? If you don't like it, stay away. I know plenty of people who won't go into a smoky bar because they don't want to be in a smoky bar and they manage to get through life. They go somewhere else. So do I.

Like I said, 99% of the city is smokefree. That's not good enough? You'll be getting your wish though.

As for accidents -- being a bad driver is not an accident. Needlessly polluting with your Ford Exhibition is not an accident. Carpal-Tunnal is not an accident.
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Old 10-02-2005, 06:04 PM   #44
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"Why should I have to change my lifestyle"?

Why should they?
I shouldn't have to because I'm not harming anyone. They should because they are. If smokers create the problem, they should be forced to fix it. Not me.
If I had a habit that harmed others in public, I would hold myself responsible too, instead of just telling people to stay away from the places I go.

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If you don't like it, stay away. I know plenty of people who won't go into a smoky bar because they don't want to be in a smoky bar and they manage to get through life.
It's not a matter of getting through life. What if you really enjoy going somewhere like a certain nightclub. You either have to deal with the smoking or stop doing something you really enjoy. A non smoker shouldn't have to make that choice because of someone elses irresponsible actions.

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Like I said, 99% of the city is smokefree. That's not good enough?
No, that is not good enough for me. When 99% of the places I like to go are smoke free, I will be happy.
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Old 10-02-2005, 06:24 PM   #45
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I shouldn't have to because I'm not harming anyone. They should because they are. If smokers create the problem, they should be forced to fix it. Not me.
If I had a habit that harmed others in public, I would hold myself responsible too, instead of just telling people to stay away from the places I go.


It's not a matter of getting through life. What if you really enjoy going somewhere like a certain nightclub. You either have to deal with the smoking or stop doing something you really enjoy. A non smoker shouldn't have to make that choice because of someone elses irresponsible actions.


No, that is not good enough for me. When 99% of the places I like to go are smoke free, I will be happy.
If it's not a problem for them then are they creating a problem?

Maybe you are creating the problem by insisting on going to a place where you know people will be doing something you don't like? If you really enjoy going there then, umm, you really enjoy going there. I guess the smoke isn't all that bad?

I don't go to places where people get in fights or wear a lot of cologne and silk shirts. Should they change the business to suit me?
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Old 10-02-2005, 09:06 PM   #46
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If it's not a problem for them then are they creating a problem?
I think they they are. If not, we wouldn't have this thread, smoking areas wouldn't be getting cut back, and people wouldn't be dieing from secind hand.

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Maybe you are creating the problem by insisting on going to a place where you know people will be doing something you don't like? If you really enjoy going there then, umm, you really enjoy going there. I guess the smoke isn't all that bad?
You're right, it's not that bad. I would rather continue to go to these places and deal with it than just go away. But I would prefer to go there and not have to deal with it. I don't think I'm asking for too much, but I guess you disagree.

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I don't go to places where people get in fights or wear a lot of cologne and silk shirts. Should they change the business to suit me?
The first place, yes. Because fighting is harmful and illegal.
2nd place, no. You should learn to enjoy colgne and slik shirts. You are missing out big time.
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:32 PM   #47
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You should learn to enjoy colgne and slik shirts. You are missing out big time.
Laugh. I'm sure I am. Those are, after all, the places where the sleaziest girls most likely hang out.

Seriously though, it doesn't sound like we are far apart on the public smoking issue. I won't/don't eat in a restaurant where people are smoking. I curse people hanging out near doorways smoking away and I extra-curse the stink that might be in a lobby from people smoking right outside the door. I'm bothered when some jackass is smoking on an outdoor C-Train platform.

When it comes to bars though it just seems to me that it comes with the territory. If I go to a bar I plan on doing things that I know are bad for me. Even if I didn't, I'd look at it as just part of the deal of being in an adults-only place.

If it cuts down on your enjoyment then that sucks, but from a health perspective I'd bet that you inhale a hell of a lot more toxins walking down the street than you do in a bar.
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:55 PM   #48
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It's not your bedroom if it ends up costing the government (and citizens) in the end. Shouldn't the gov have the right to be involved in something that will later cost them alot of money?
I believe the taxes they are already raking in more than offset the dangers in relation to alcohol.

... and to the point made earlier - one smoke a day will not hurt you, nor will one drink. But have 15 smokes a day, and the company that sold you them is now able to be sued - yet the company that sells a customer 15 drinks a day get's off scott-free.

I think the smoking-cash-cow has been milked far enough. We all know the dangers. And to my "bedroom" comment, what I meant is that I prefer government to provide a vary minimal role in governing corporations. (I mean, while they are at it, why don't they boost the taxes on the oil companies for environmental impact?)
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