Man, why are the Flames goalies of late stay back at their crease and go down way before the shot even comes through? Johnson was playing so well before when he's standing up and challenging. Now, he's looking a lot more like Elliot. The only thing that's not costing him more goals is that he's faster at scrambling. But damn the Flames for playing in their own zones all night long and their stupid turnovers. Still can't watch a whole Flames game with the way they're playing. More goals the merrier!
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I think the 'Gaudreau' factor to any teams make up is substantial. Pre-injury, the team looked offensively based on his zone entry, offensive zone composure, and got slayed on regular soft give aways and soft defensive zone battle. While he was out with injury the Flames tried to get 100% lunch bucket, system based, heavy game/confident, and played super composed in 1 goal games that as a fan I would normally have anxiety. Goals were being scored by committee and all 4 lines were being used effectively. Enter Gaudreau back from injury and he's like the icing and cherry on top and we look like world beaters for 2 games....but then the systems become more floaty, creative, trade chances kind of games and we're not as authoritative physically as in Gaudreau's absence. I love that Monahan, Versteeg, and Gaudreau are finding scoresheet success, but being -2 meanwhile the 4th line plays 10 min all game (even).
The ingredients are there for a great team, but the Flames need to find the magic balance of Gaudreau Jedi, 4 line heavy forecheck hockey, and tight low scoring mistake free hockey to maximize our success this season.
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Man, why are the Flames goalies of late stay back at their crease and go down way before the shot even comes through? Johnson was playing so well before when he's standing up and challenging. Now, he's looking a lot more like Elliot. The only thing that's not costing him more goals is that he's faster at scrambling. But damn the Flames for playing in their own zones all night long and their stupid turnovers. Still can't watch a whole Flames game with the way they're playing. More goals the merrier!
I think this analysis is spot on.
Hopefully Sigalet can offer some tips to get both goalies back on their game. Johnson plays well when he's strong positionally. That needs the be the foundation of his style.
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The Jackets are a damn good team at picking off and deflecting passes. Some of the anticipation they showed all night on that regard was impressive.
One of those nights. I'm not sure how many of our shots hit our own guys in front of their net, but it was a lot.
The Flames weren't great but you have to give Columbus credit for playing a really solid game. Obviously no fluke that their record is as good as it is.
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Flames are a more talented team than the Jackets and the difference right now is coaching and veteran players not stepping up. I'm not saying Gulutzan is a terrible coach but we have seen Torts get this kind of effort out of his teams before and they play smart and hard every night. Take away that 6 game winning streak and really from game to game you have no idea what Flames team will show up and while it's easy to blame coaching maybe it's about time the veteran players on this team started playing better and making an example of themselves. Gio's been a huge disappointment this season. Brodie can somewhat be excused because of off ice happenings as well as playing out of position. Brouwer has been a part of a lot of playoff teams but what's he doing to earn $4 million? Maybe it's getting close to time for the team to move on from Giordano before that contract really hurts this team. As for Gulutzan I really want to believe he's the right guy moving forward but this team is mirroring his Dallas teams nearly exactly as they were never consistent and hovered arnound .500 never better.
Monahan and Gaudreau both had terrible games. Johnny was getting wacked all over the ice, I guess we just have to get used to the fact that the officials aren't going to protect him from slashes. Weirdly enough they always call the trips against him but refuse to call slashing penalties.
It's painful to watch Brodie on the left side. He's just a little off with everything. Seriously just get him back where he belongs and move Wideman to the third pair and off the PK.
Honestly that was a terrible game for the Flames and boring as hell to watch. Team was flat again. Gulutzan has a tough time getting these guys to get their engines going after a break. Guess that's what you get with a 'players coach' who is more about the X's and O's. Regroup and move on!
Also why does Brodie continue to get top PP minutes over Hamilton? Hamilton is the best point man this team has on the powerplay and this is now two coaches in a row that have decided to make things hard on special teams with poor personnel decisions.
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Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way but it's a hell of a lot more fun around here when we win. We need to win more right?
I was watching this game at the bar and it wasn't fun at all.
Try being at the game. "Star wars" night didn't exactly make it any better.
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Dancing Kevin lost 160 pounds!!!! He is like the epitome of a great metephor for how the blu jackets have turned thier club around over the last few years If you get what I mean.
the schtick is only charming when he's fat though.
In-shape man takes off shirt at hockey game and dances? Nah
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BJs might be the best team this season. No shame in losing to them.
It would be better if people said this about the Flames. What do the Jackets have that the Flames don't?
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Observations after sitting in great seats behind the benches for the first time in a long long time, so pretty easy to get distracted by the goings on on the benches, as its almost within line of sight to the play often....and from our usual seats for the past 15 years, a total different perspective, so can't help but get distracted by those differences.
Tortorella and his assistant (for the forwards - Larsen?) very chatty back and forth, lot of pats on the back and leaning in to talk to guys every few shifts. Whole bench, including Torts and said assistant whooped it up after goals.
Compare that to the Flames bench where didn't see Gulutzan, Gerard, or Cameron, lean in to say anything to any of the guys. The lone Flames goal Gulutzan immediately did his infamous look down at the monitor, and the most amount of talking he did was to the refs. From what I saw, never said anything to any of his assistants all game, and as I said, its pretty easy to see that as I saw it alot on the CBJ side.
CBj very loose and jabbering on the bench while the play going on. Flames bench was like a library with guys just looking straight ahead.
Tortorella and Hartnell shared a lot of laughs through out the game, and most of the CBJ forwards were gravitating around Hartnell during whistles and breaks. After 1 PP in the third, where Brouwer was in front of the net battling with Hartnell most of the shift, Hartnell was off first and then Brouwer 5 seconds behind, and as Hartnell was just getting off the ice, reached back over the boards to give Brouwer a high five as he was arriving at the Flames bench, Brouwer with a head nod. Torts is a pretty active guy behind the bench, rarely looked down at the screen (GG was always looking at it), watched the jumbotron instead for replays. When the Flames got that cheap interference call near the end of that one period, Tortorella looked over at the refs, down at the screen, and shook his head.
Just interesting to watch all that right in front of one's eyes, stuff that you never see on TV while the play is on, or during whistles.
No judging in particular, but certainly watching the Flames players eyes when coming off, they looked a bit lost, almost wanting some direction.
Of course the score, the way that CBJ shut down the Flames for just shots and chances, and the way CBJ is on a roll is indicative of that, but certainly the coaching staffs have different personalities and approach their players differently on the bench, and that would be the same basic thought if CBJ had lost 9 in a row I'm guessing too.
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It would be better if people said this about the Flames. What do the Jackets have that the Flames don't?
Better coaching. I know people like to pile on Torts but when he has decent talent to work with he gets his teams playing a disciplined style of hockey and he's a bit of a disciplinarian which is what young teams need at times yet he's a player's coach in that he sticks up for his guys. The coach doesn't have to be a drill sergeant like Hartley but the players need to learn that freelancing is unacceptable. It seems like Gulutzan is such the opposite of Hartley that the players have totally relaxed as they are the most undisciplined team in the league by far, their efforts vary widely from night to night, and the lack of focus is evident.
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I'm still not totally sold on Gulutzan and Browna's post is very insightful as to why. Although credit to Gulutzan his system has taken hold in recent weeks and yielded results, I still feel like the motivational side of coaching is really missing here. I know some people say that's all on the players but I don't buy that.
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"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
It would be better if people said this about the Flames. What do the Jackets have that the Flames don't?
I never thought I would ever say this but last night it was apparent to me that "size does matter". The Jackets have at least five times the number of Hamilton size players, and they man handled the Flames.
Early in the first period, it was evident that they weren't going to put up with the antics of Tkachuk, and gave him a pretty good beatdown right in front of the opposition bench. I watched him continually spitting in the penalty box...probably from bleeding in the mouth. After that, the Flames seemed hesitant to be very physically aggressive.
I agree with the above that the constant communication between coaches and players of the Jackets was evident throughout the game. And Torts showed much more passion (angry aggressiveness) when it came to discussing matters with the refs...which is certainly not surprising.
I think goaltending was also another one of the main reasons for our defeat last night.
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Yeah, that's the thing. In terms of players, I can't name a BJ that the Flames don't have basically the equivalent of on their roster, skill-wise.
It seems like Torts has Columbus playing an extremely solid team game from top to bottom, whereas I think there are still some weak links and players not on the same page on the Flames' side. For a few weeks at least they were in a rhythm.
One thing is clear from the last two games... Johnson's clock is close to striking midnight. Elliott had better be ready.
I disagree. The last two games the Flames have played horrible defensively and a bunch of deflections he had no chance on. Only questionable goal is maybe the Saad goal and it was a rocket with Gio acting as a screen.
