Glenmore trail (both directions) closed due to fatal crash - Reopened

[Madman]

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[polak]

Anyone think it's kind of BS that the media can release information about the police administering a Breathalyzer test without actually knowing the results of that test?

This guy will be forever labelled as a drunk driver now regardless of if he was actually impaired or not. Everyone in my office was talking about how he's an ####### drunk but no one actually knew the results of the test.

Seem reckless.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by polak

Anyone think it's kind of BS that the media can release information about the police administering a Breathalyzer test without actually knowing the results of that test?

This guy will be forever labelled as a drunk driver now regardless of if he was actually impaired or not. Everyone in my office was talking about how he's an ####### drunk but no one actually knew the results of the test.

Seem reckless.

The media doesn't care. If they can generate more anger and sensationalism, the more clicks they get and the more papers they sell.

But yes, it is BS.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

The media doesn't care. If they can generate more anger and sensationalism, the more clicks they get and the more papers they sell.

But yes, it is BS.

It may be BS, but it's standard operating procedure for reporting on any driving fatality. The reporter asks the police if drinking was involved, the police tell them whether they conducted a breathalyser (which I'm guessing is SOP for police in fatal collisions with surviving drivers).

[Flabbibulin]

According to AM770, Calgary Police have confirmed that alcohol and speed were factors.

http://www.newstalk770.com/2016/03/2...lenmore-trail/

And I believe CTV Calgary mentioned that the individual was initially arrested on suspicion of being intoxicated...

[Resolute 14]

Yeah, when someone is arrested pretty much at the scene of a fatal accident, it is very much a story in the public interest, regardless of the media's general desires for sensationalism.

[polak]

Does anyone know what exactly has to happen for speed and alcohol to be a factor?

I remember reading an american article that said that for something to be considered a "factor" it just has to be present and doesn't have to actually be directly related to the cause or the person at-fault.

Can't find anything about it on google now though.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by polak

Anyone think it's kind of BS that the media can release information about the police administering a Breathalyzer test without actually knowing the results of that test?

This guy will be forever labelled as a drunk driver now regardless of if he was actually impaired or not. Everyone in my office was talking about how he's an ####### drunk but no one actually knew the results of the test.

Seem reckless.

I have no problem with this at all. If police feel that a breathalyzer is warranted, then I think its a valid public detail. Its not like the police released the guys name.

IMO our justice system is still far too lenient on drunks that have killed people on our roads as it is. Such a ridiculous waste of life.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by greyshep

IMO our justice system is still far too lenient on drunks that have killed people on our roads as it is. Such a ridiculous waste of life.

The problem isn't the degree of punishment after the fact, which is already severe enough that no sensible person is going to risk it. The problem is that the likelihood of getting caught is so low. Most drunk driving collisions causing fatalities involve hardcore boozers, many of them alcoholics. The deterrence of jail time doesn't work on those people. The only thing that will stop them is catching them drunk, taking away their license, and getting them off the road. But you can drive years on end in this city without hitting a check stop. I haven't hit one in 15 years.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The problem isn't the degree of punishment after the fact, which is already severe enough that no sensible person is going to risk it. The problem is that the likelihood of getting caught is so low. Most drunk driving collisions causing fatalities involve hardcore boozers, many of them alcoholics. The deterrence of jail time doesn't work on those people. The only thing that will stop them is catching them drunk, taking away their license, and getting them off the road. But you can drive years on end in this city without hitting a check stop. I haven't hit one in 15 years.

#### like this doesn't help.

https://twitter.com/calgarychecksto

this is for the .049ers.. those who want to be responsible yet would like the odds a little more in their favour.. DO NOT DRIVE DRUNK

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The problem isn't the degree of punishment after the fact, which is already severe enough that no sensible person is going to risk it. The problem is that the likelihood of getting caught is so low. Most drunk driving collisions causing fatalities involve hardcore boozers, many of them alcoholics. The deterrence of jail time doesn't work on those people. The only thing that will stop them is catching them drunk, taking away their license, and getting them off the road. But you can drive years on end in this city without hitting a check stop. I haven't hit one in 15 years.

This is it exactly.

I have been through exactly one check stop in my life, and I was a passenger and it was 18 years ago.

My average driving timing habits may or may not fit the times the cops are looking for drunks, but you would think by sheer statistics I would of hit a check stop by now, it is mind boggling.

[T@T]

I have a friend who was involved in a serious accident a few years ago, the officer smelled alcohol and had her blood tested, the media reported that it could be a case of drunk driving.

Problem is she was the designated driver that night and the accident was determined not to be her fault but people still talked about her being a former drunk driver that nearly killed 2 people.

I have no problem reporting a DUI but at least wait for it to be fact.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by greyshep

I have no problem with this at all. If police feel that a breathalyzer is warranted, then I think its a valid public detail. Its not like the police released the guys name.

IMO our justice system is still far too lenient on drunks that have killed people on our roads as it is. Such a ridiculous waste of life.

Yeah but what does leniency on drunk drivers have anything to do with a potentially innocent person being labelled a killer?

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### like this doesn't help.

https://twitter.com/calgarychecksto

Lack of police resources is much bigger concern than some random Twitter feed.

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### like this doesn't help.

https://twitter.com/calgarychecksto

Google Maps with traffic on can easily show checkstops too.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Lack of police resources is much bigger concern than some random Twitter feed.

You might be right, I think funding (or lack of) and policing has been an issue for a long time

Originally Posted by polak

Google Maps with traffic on can easily show checkstops too.

I had no idea. So police check stops show up on the Google Map app?

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You might be right, I think funding (or lack of) and policing has been an issue for a long time




I had no idea. So police check stops show up on the Google Map app?

No but if you open Google Maps and see a spot of heavy traffic on your route at 3 am it's probably a checkstop or accident.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You might be right, I think funding (or lack of) and policing has been an issue for a long time




I had no idea. So police check stops show up on the Google Map app?

Not per se but you can pretty easily spot where they might be.

I was looking for a route home from a friends house a couple weeks ago and saw that traffic was at a standstill on glenmore east of deerfoot at like 1 am...drove that route and it was a checkstop. Although I doubt people who are severely drunk have the presence of mind to analyze google maps before they drive.

[pylon]

Has anyone heard from Minnie in the last 24 hours?

Originally Posted by pylon

Has anyone heard from Minnie in the last 24 hours?

??????

[Minnie]

No. Haven't heard from her at all.