Vancouver police officer charged with assault on cyclist

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by Acey

I've been pulled over by CPS probably 6 or 7 times and at least three had English accents. I found them to be much more polite, but less likely to give you a break.

Yep. I got pulled over on my bike for doing the exact same thing as this guy and the British cop just told me not to do that on MacLeod Tr.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Acey

I've been pulled over by CPS probably 6 or 7 times and at least three had English accents. I found them to be much more polite, but less likely to give you a break.

I've been busted on the ctrain by a British Transit cop, and he was incredibly understanding and let me off with a warning. He let me immediately leave the station and return with proof of fare. I thought that was pretty nice of him.

[jayswin]

The other thing with those british police officers that I leraned from talking to them, is that Canadians are a lot more polite and respectful towards cops than people back home.

When I worked retail, a couple of them came in, and I noticed the accent and started chatting with them. I asked what the cultural differences were, if any, and they both started beaming and were raving about Canada, and specifically youth.


They said in the UK, the police get no respect from the youth and they get openly mocked by teens there constantly. They said they couldn't believe the respect you get from teens and criminals here. The one guy said nobody in the UK would ever call you "sir" when your dealing with them, but he gets it from time to time here with youth.

[dissentowner]

That was a clear assault. I hope that cop eats it hard.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Yeah, you were being extremely polite

But seriously where is this thread that this should have gone in? I'm still waiting for you to link it because I searched and didn't find it.

You just couldn't handle seeing another police brutality thread since you're probably in law enforcement which would explain your extremely sensitive feelings towards threads that call out police actions.

General police brutality thread:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...utality+thread

Actually, I feel the exact opposite how you think I do. I am not sensitive about police threads. In fact, genuine police misconduct video's and stories I find repugnant.

What I draw issue with is the idea that you or anyone else judges and condemns actions based on a very limited amount of information and, in many cases, are judging the actions simply because of some skewed view or belief that all members of law enforcement are power hungry ######s. Or, at one time or another, feel they were wronged by a member of law enforcement (I did stop at that stop sign and the cop was rude to me)

Back on topic, yes, force can be used to make an arrest. The amount of force used is based on the the subjects behavior and how a cop can ARTICULATE that (both the amount of force used and the subjects behavior). Based on what I saw, I strike to the face would suggest that would be excessive. Would a knee to the thigh be excessive? How about pressure point or stun??

In this case, the crown obviously thought so. A judge may have a different view based on what is presented at trial.

[Minnie]

Sometimes, in particular cases, such as this one, I almost feel like that if they're going to be punished, the judge should allow the plaintiff to clock them back.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

General police brutality thread:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...utality+thread

Did you even read the thread title? because it's not called "general police brutality thread".

It is called "more police brutality".

It was a thread started about a single incident and people started adding other police brutalities to it probably because they fear someone like you calling them out for starting a new thread. Nice misleading title thread change btw.

What I draw issue with is the idea that you or anyone else judges and condemns actions based on a very limited amount of information and, in many cases, are judging the actions simply because of some skewed view or belief that all members of law enforcement are power hungry ######s. Or, at one time or another, feel they were wronged by a member of law enforcement (I did stop at that stop sign and the cop was rude to me)

Wow, that's a wild imagination you have. When did I or anyone else do that?

I definitely haven't and you even suggesting that is horse crap. I've always been pretty pro-police. Not as pro-police as you, but I will call out a single police officers actions when they step out of line but that doesn't mean I or anyone else hates cops.

[Northendzone]

In a rec hockey game that is two minutes for roughing......

[calgarywinning]

In civilization, that's criminal assault. Police or no police. The difference is the guy running the camera holding his ground. That's the only thing that separates the official story from what actually happened.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

The difference is the guy running the camera holding his ground. That's the only thing that separates the official story from what actually happened.

Cell phone cameras are the most effective tool in holding law enforcement accountable

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Cell phone cameras are the most effective tool in holding law enforcement accountable

sometimes they don't tell the whole story

you actually still need that

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

sometimes they don't tell the whole story

you actually still need that

That always seems to be what people say in cases of police brutality caught on tape. Never seem to hear that when it's an alleged crime caught on tape not involving police though

If I hit someone and it is caught on tape in such a manner as that video, it is likely more than enough to convict me of the assault. How is it any different in this case?

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

That always seems to be what people say in cases of police brutality caught on tape. Never seem to hear that when it's an alleged crime caught on tape not involving police though

If I hit someone and it is caught on tape in such a manner as that video, it is likely more than enough to convict me of the assault. How is it any different in this case?

I don't think it would be different necessarily, its just that police are authorized to use force to affect arrest. How much force isn't a clear line and is based on a multitude of different factors.

If you are caught on tape punch someone in the face, at trial you can present the totality of circumstances. What happened before or after. How you were feeling during the incident and how the punchee acted. It's really not as cut and dry as you think it is.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

That always seems to be what people say in cases of police brutality caught on tape. Never seem to hear that when it's an alleged crime caught on tape not involving police though

If I hit someone and it is caught on tape in such a manner as that video, it is likely more than enough to convict me of the assault. How is it any different in this case?

I agree that in this case the video is enough - especially to warrant the charge and most likely to convict. - situation seemed under control and no one was in danger at the time.

My point is that it isn't always the case - video can be misleading - and all facts need to be looked at to make an informed decision.

[Coach]

If he's a cyclist breaking the rules, he automatically deserves a punch in the face.

Looked pretty tame to me. I understand the rules say he can't use any force, but I'm pretty sure 13 year old me hit my 16 year old brother in the face harder than that.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by MattyC

If he's a cyclist breaking the rules, he automatically deserves a punch in the face.

Looked pretty tame to me. I understand the rules say he can't use any force, but I'm pretty sure 13 year old me hit my 16 year old brother in the face harder than that.

Did you need stitches bro?

[calumniate]

I just don't get why he was being arrested in the first place. Was there something more to the story at all?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calumniate

I just don't get why he was being arrested in the first place. Was there something more to the story at all?

Wait are you saying the fact picture presented by the video is incomplete?

[calumniate]

Haha, how could you possibly infer that?

[Shaggin Wagon]

The guy ran a red light IIRC. If he had dealt with the police with respect he might have gotten off with a warning. He escalated it to a ticket and then an arrest and then a punch.

The punch didn't look like it would even leave a bruise. Police do not want to charge one of there own but with evidence like this they have to.

I'm not saying the cop was in the right, just it think that is the basic reasoning for the series of events.