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Old 05-06-2013, 11:17 AM   #41
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I assume you see the irony that you compared people not wanting to lose their slaves 200 years ago with people not wanting to lose their guns today.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:01 PM   #42
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Actually this makes total sense.

What was the first armed revolution all about? The federal government wanting to unjustly, take their slaves away, thar took ar slarves. Now the same evil govt want to take their guns, so I can totally see a justified armed revolution in the future.


Actually, the first armed rebellion in the US came about after the first credit crunch in the US. It was in Massachusetts in 1786-1787. It was caused by people getting into debt and losing their real estate, as well as taxes considered onerous by many. Since nothing like that has happened recently, everything should be fine.

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Old 05-06-2013, 01:11 PM   #43
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I assume you see the irony that you compared people not wanting to lose their slaves 200 years ago with people not wanting to lose their guns today.
No, I missed the irony, I'm sure it will become apparent in 200 years.

I wonder if there was a NNA 200 years ago, and they mutterd things like, slaves don't kill people, people kill people.
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I've been saying for a while that I think the US is on the verge of another civil war. There is just so much tension and hate for on another down there. nothing gets done because everyone is so steadfast in their opinions, unwilling to even consider another viewpoint. There will be a violent act that will be the last straw. The government will come for their assault rifles and that will be it.

People have laughed me off thinking this sentiment is riduculous, like its never happened before. Like 150 years actually means something in the grand scheme of things. Great societies and Empires have fallen and been destroyed from the outside and inside for our entire history, but most people in our day and age seem to think we as humans are beyond those types of failures. But we're not. And its not that they're even failures. Sometimes kings have to fall for the better of everyone.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:31 PM   #46
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I've been saying for a while that I think the US is on the verge of another civil war. There is just so much tension and hate for on another down there. nothing gets done because everyone is so steadfast in their opinions, unwilling to even consider another viewpoint. There will be a violent act that will be the last straw. The government will come for their assault rifles and that will be it.

People have laughed me off thinking this sentiment is riduculous, like its never happened before. Like 150 years actually means something in the grand scheme of things. Great societies and Empires have fallen and been destroyed from the outside and inside for our entire history, but most people in our day and age seem to think we as humans are beyond those types of failures. But we're not. And its not that they're even failures. Sometimes kings have to fall for the better of everyone.
It won't happen, I can't see it happening.

America used to be based around the concept of compromise to get things done and they were lead by a lot of strong leaders that were willing to compromise and change to get things done, but in this day and age of super-politisization (not a word but shut up) of every issue, where the point is to score political points instead of solving issues your seeing that sharp divide between the left and right.

And its not just a Republic issue its a democrat issue as well.

And its been a long time coming and it flows from the President to Congress and Senate to the state level to the individual level.

America used to be able to build powerful leaders who despite personal failings always were able to transcend and listen and solve issues.

Maybe its the romantic in me talking but they don't build strong leaders anymore.

We are in the day and age of the technocrat leadership style where its all for nothing, no negotiation, accept my idea or its all your fault.

And this useless bickering and infighting is becoming incredibly dangerous.

I'm not going to put the full blame on the President, that's not the intent here, but he's not exactly the consensus leaders that I'd hope he'd become..

We've entered the politics of self interest and preservation.

Whoever the next president is, whoever the next leaders are at all levels, there's going to have to be middle ground negotiation and reasonableness.

That includes the stupidity of Republicans and Democrats that are entrenched in bankrupt ideology.

Hope and change is an empty message without hearing and open and honest negotiation.

But even without that there won't be an open civil war, the majority of American's are too smart and rational for that. What you might see is even greater apathy as people lose faith in their leadership and completely check out.
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There were rumors of armed revolt if Obama didn't win.
Also, there were reports from African-American Romney supporters having their cars keyed, property destroyed etc. I don't know how much of that happened acrossthe country but locally it was a problem. It didn't get much press.

Anything south of Orlando is not "the South". It is South New York. Or North Cuba.

In the course of delivering mail I talk to all kinds of people. When they talk politics, I tell them I am an independent willing to listen to both sides, and that is true. Soooo many people admit that they are actually afraid to speak out against Obama. Of course, that's not a scientific sample , but it's odd. Maybe some are Birthers or whatever. Most just feel like they have no idea what's really going on, and have no trustworthy way of finding out. Republican-generated hysteria? I don't know.

As I said, I'm Independent and can only speak of what I saw and experienced locally. The Obama supporters were far more hostile, frightening and threatening than any bunch of Republicans I saw.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said CC. I think that the influx in bombings and school shootings etc.. Are an extension of the people's frustrations. Maybe they feel this is the only way to be heard. I do think an all out war is pretty far fetched, but definitely don't discount major violent events geared at political policy changes (or lack thereof).
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Ironically the poor dumb schmoes dropped their liberties 10 years ago faster than a crack whore drops their knickers in a back alley only most of them have proven to stupid to realise it.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said CC. I think that the influx in bombings and school shootings etc.. Are an extension of the people's frustrations. Maybe they feel this is the only way to be heard. I do think an all out war is pretty far fetched, but definitely don't discount major violent events geared at political policy changes (or lack thereof).
To me, when you pack a stagnant economy, with weak and indecisive leadership. Throw in a pinch of bipartisan hatred, and ad in a armed civilian base craziness ensues.

I'm convinced that the crazies that shot up Sandy Hook and Governor Giffords gathering and other shootings and bombings are made even more unstable by the emotions around them.

Just a weird theory.

Its the 60's rat population experiment.
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:12 PM   #51
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So this poll was commissioned by CNSNews.

Who is CNSNEWS?
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CNSNews.com was launched on June 16, 1998 as a news source for individuals, news organizations and broadcasters who put a higher premium on balance than spin and seek news that’s ignored or under-reported as a result of media bias by omission.

Study after study by the Media Research Center, the parent organization of CNSNews.com, clearly demonstrate a liberal bias in many news outlets – bias by commission and bias by omission – that results in a frequent double-standard in editorial decisions on what constitutes "news."
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Hmm, sounds like there may be a bit of an agenda.

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Since 1987, our unwavering commitment to neutralizing left-wing bias in the news media and popular culture has influenced how millions of Americans perceive so-called objective reporting.
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Yeah. Definitely balanced. About as agenda free as the "no spin zone".
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Ironically the poor dumb schmoes dropped their liberties 10 years ago faster than a crack whore drops their knickers in a back alley only most of them have proven to stupid to realise it.
Off topic but hey,
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