What is Wrong with People

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

Not sure, the pictures came out a couple years later. No idea about the details of the investigation. Again, just stating that there are shreds of evidence if an anonymous group found the rapists names within two hours. And as for the fact that charges have not been brought, re-read Devils Advocate's post.

I read his post and have long been aware of the statistics. That doesn't change the fact that anon is deciding that they are capable of conducting a thorough and fair investigation.

And finding names does not equate to shreds of evidence. It equates to the fact that people were questioned, maybe even suspected, regarding a crime. We probably all know someone who has been questioned about a crime, be it as a witness or suspect, but that doesn't mean those people are guilty.

I just don't like the way they are going about things here. This isn't a case of having a bunch of evidence that was ignored and bringing it to light. This is reading a story and accepting it as the unequivocal truth and then conducting a witch hunt.

[handgroen]

Just curious are we sure it was rape and not group sex?
if so, how?
and if not, won't the public destroy 4 more lives?

all this is moot btw if the pictures show her restrained or not willingly participating, and i'm also not condoning the actions even if it was consensual, i think that people who engage in consenting "gang-bang" scenarios more often than not regret them. I am however saying that if it was consensual it is not criminal even if it's highly immoral.

[Jackpot_Smooth]

We don't know what evidence the RCMP have right now. Maybe they have some but they know the defense will be able to defend against it therefore dropping the charges anyways. Hopefully the justice systems can come through some how. I'm have a daughter too and i know it would be hard to not go all Samuel Jackson (from a time to kill) on these guys if their names were released.

[Ducay]

As the posters on the first page of this thread did, it is all too easy to get sucked into the emotional side of things poured on by the parents who are obviously looking for something to blame after their daughter chose to take her own life.

You can't just take their side as truth, you have to look at all the evidence and go from there. This is the reason there are things called "trials", and "judges" in order to determine guilt and punishment, and not a system of "anon Judge Dredds".

Its a sh*tty situation for everyone involved that stemmed from a bunch of kids making a host of poor choices all around. Let the justice system take its course, if there isn't enough evidence, then there isn't enough evidence, and we can't conclude on if these kids are responsible. The girl is gone and ruining 4 other people's lives over it before being found guilty isn't going to bring her back or do her any justice.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by handgroen

Just curious are we sure it was rape and not group sex?
if so, how?
and if not, won't the public destroy 4 more lives?

Seems like everyone agrees there was sex between a few boys and a (probably drunk) girl then the girl committed suicide.

I want to know what the names of those boys. I want to know, because I think they are old enough that their personalities are pretty much established. And I don't care if they are rapists or a bunch of ######s that think that gang-banging a drunk 15 year old is acceptable. Either way they are human paraquats and I don't want anything to do with them.

I don't want to hire them. I don't want to live beside them. I don't want my kids to be friends with them.

They are never going to say at a job interview "Yeah, me and my friends ####ed a drunk 15 year old, emailed the pictures and then she killed herself" So how am I supposed to distance myself or protect my kids from those ######s/rapists if I don't even know their names? Please get the information out there Anonymous. Google and I will take care of the rest.

And if an innocent kid gets mistakenly named, well that's too bad. Life's not fair, just ask Rehtaeh Parsons' mom. But until the number of suicides of falsely accused rapists = number of suicides of raped women who's rapists weren't even prosecuted, I don't care.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Seems like everyone agrees there was sex between a few boys and a (probably drunk) girl then the girl committed suicide.

I want to know what the names of those boys. I want to know, because I think they are old enough that their personalities are pretty much established. And I don't care if they are rapists or a bunch of ######s that think that gang-banging a drunk 15 year old is acceptable. Either way they are human paraquats and I don't want anything to do with them.

I don't want to hire them. I don't want to live beside them. I don't want my kids to be friends with them.

They are never going to say at a job interview "Yeah, me and my friends ####ed a drunk 15 year old, emailed the pictures and then she killed herself" So how am I supposed to distance myself or protect my kids from those ######s/rapists if I don't even know their names? Please get the information out there Anonymous. Google and I will take care of the rest.

And if an innocent kid gets mistakenly named, well that's too bad. Life's not fair, just ask Rehtaeh Parsons' mom. But until the number of suicides of falsely accused rapists = number of suicides of raped women who's rapists weren't even prosecuted, I don't care.

Oh geez louise, I don't even know where to start with the volumes of wrong this post is.

You know there is a reason the law and society has made ~18 the point at which you are an adult, not 13, not 15, not 16, but 18. The amount of ######ed and peer pressured things most of us did at 15 is a testament to this. I don't care if "their personalities" are "established" at 15, they're still young enough to not be fully understanding of their actions and potential ramifications. Juvenile laws exist for a reason.

You have no idea if she begged for the sexytime and then felt ashamed, you have no idea if there were 12 guns behind the camera forcing them to do this, you have no idea if these were lifesize cutouts of them and her, maybe they were all on PCP and mushrooms, or were being held by Al Qaeda. There are so many things unknown in this case, jumping to conclusions like you're doing is as ridiculous as the number of situations I could come up with.

Sure you might be right, but some girl making a rash decision to end her own life doesn't give everyone the right to ruin other people's at will.

[Plett25]

Considering this is a fairly reasonable post, I am surprised that I disagree with pretty much all of it.

Originally Posted by Ducay

As the posters on the first page of this thread did, it is all too easy to get sucked into the emotional side of things poured on by the parents who are obviously looking for something to blame after their daughter chose to take her own life.

You say sucked into, I say she actually told a moving account. Sure there are two sides to every story, but that doesn't mean the emotional side of the story is false.

You say the mom is looking for something to blame, I say she's looking for justice.

You say suicide is a choice, I say it isn't really a choice.

Originally Posted by Ducay

You can't just take their side as truth, you have to look at all the evidence and go from there. This is the reason there are things called "trials", and "judges" in order to determine guilt and punishment, and not a system of "anon Judge Dredds".

The Judge Dredd reference is a strawman. Nobody is proposing summary executions.

The "trials" don't always get to the truth, innocent people are put away and the guilty go free all the time. There's a big difference between not pressing charges because they didn't do it, and not pressing charges because there isn't enough evidence to prove they did what they did.

And I don't need a "judge" to tell me what is right and what is wrong. Give me the information and I'll make up my own mind thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Ducay

Its a sh*tty situation for everyone involved that stemmed from a bunch of kids making a host of poor choices all around. Let the justice system take its course, if there isn't enough evidence, then there isn't enough evidence, and we can't conclude on if these kids are responsible. The girl is gone and ruining 4 other people's lives over it before being found guilty isn't going to bring her back or do her any justice.

There is a chance that one of the kids didn't decide to get raped. So if that is the case, what was her poor choice? Don't say drinking, because 15 year olds shouldn't get raped just because she snuck a bottle of rum to a party.

Ruining 4 other people's lives? If their life is ruined because of their involvement in a gang-bang or a rape, or because they forwarded pictures of the event, that is on them. There has to be consequences for your actions, even for 15 year olds. Not illegal does not mean acceptable.

Again, the court does not find you guity or innocent... it is guilty or not guilty. And just because you didn't get charged doesn't mean that you didn't do something illegal or morally reprehensible. You are free to think that the gang-bang or rape of a 15 year old girl is a "poor choice" I think it should follow those boys for the rest of their lives.

[PsYcNeT]

I'm just wondering when groupsex became immoral.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Seems like everyone agrees there was sex between a few boys and a (probably drunk) girl then the girl committed suicide.

I want to know what the names of those boys. I want to know, because I think they are old enough that their personalities are pretty much established. And I don't care if they are rapists or a bunch of ######s that think that gang-banging a drunk 15 year old is acceptable. Either way they are human paraquats and I don't want anything to do with them.

I don't want to hire them. I don't want to live beside them. I don't want my kids to be friends with them.

They are never going to say at a job interview "Yeah, me and my friends ####ed a drunk 15 year old, emailed the pictures and then she killed herself" So how am I supposed to distance myself or protect my kids from those ######s/rapists if I don't even know their names? Please get the information out there Anonymous. Google and I will take care of the rest.

And if an innocent kid gets mistakenly named, well that's too bad. Life's not fair, just ask Rehtaeh Parsons' mom. But until the number of suicides of falsely accused rapists = number of suicides of raped women who's rapists weren't even prosecuted, I don't care.

This post is both disgusting and terrifying.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Considering this is a fairly reasonable post, I am surprised that I disagree with pretty much all of it.

You say sucked into, I say she actually told a moving account. Sure there are two sides to every story, but that doesn't mean the emotional side of the story is false.

You say the mom is looking for something to blame, I say she's looking for justice.

You say suicide is a choice, I say it isn't really a choice.

The Judge Dredd reference is a strawman. Nobody is proposing summary executions.

The "trials" don't always get to the truth, innocent people are put away and the guilty go free all the time. There's a big difference between not pressing charges because they didn't do it, and not pressing charges because there isn't enough evidence to prove they did what they did.

And I don't need a "judge" to tell me what is right and what is wrong. Give me the information and I'll make up my own mind thank you very much.

There is a chance that one of the kids didn't decide to get raped. So if that is the case, what was her poor choice? Don't say drinking, because 15 year olds shouldn't get raped just because she snuck a bottle of rum to a party.

Ruining 4 other people's lives? If their life is ruined because of their involvement in a gang-bang or a rape, or because they forwarded pictures of the event, that is on them. There has to be consequences for your actions, even for 15 year olds. Not illegal does not mean acceptable.

Again, the court does not find you guity or innocent... it is guilty or not guilty. And just because you didn't get charged doesn't mean that you didn't do something illegal or morally reprehensible. You are free to think that the gang-bang or rape of a 15 year old girl is a "poor choice" I think it should follow those boys for the rest of their lives.

You pretty much are

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Oh geez louise, I don't even know where to start with the volumes of wrong this post is.

You know there is a reason the law and society has made ~18 the point at which you are an adult, not 13, not 15, not 16, but 18. The amount of ######ed and peer pressured things most of us did at 15 is a testament to this. I don't care if "their personalities" are "established" at 15, they're still young enough to not be fully understanding of their actions and potential ramifications. Juvenile laws exist for a reason.

You have no idea if she begged for the sexytime and then felt ashamed, you have no idea if there were 12 guns behind the camera forcing them to do this, you have no idea if these were lifesize cutouts of them and her, maybe they were all on PCP and mushrooms, or were being held by Al Qaeda. There are so many things unknown in this case, jumping to conclusions like you're doing is as ridiculous as the number of situations I could come up with.

Sure you might be right, but some girl making a rash decision to end her own life doesn't give everyone the right to ruin other people's at will.

So you're speculating that she "begged for the sexytime"

Wow. Blame the victim.

######ed things most of us did at 15? At 15, I got nowhere near gang-bang/rape territory. Maybe you did, but I sure as hell didn't.

And as to making 18 the age you are responsible for your actions, this may be a shock to you, but not everyone believes that is a good rule.

Wow.

[Flames89]

Operation Justice for Rehtaeh:

4/11 Statement:

Since yesterday morning several teams of investigators have been working to dissect the events surrounding the rape, harassment and suicide of Rehtaeh Parsons.

What we have learned is certainly appalling, but it wasn't the act of rape that shocked us. It was the behavior of the adults in Rehtaeh's life that we found most disturbing. Let's set aside for a moment the compassion they should have shown as human beings and just focus on the responsibilities they had as professionals. We're talking about the school teachers, administrators, the police and prosecutors, those who should have been role models in the late Rehtaeh's life.

To begin, Ross Landry's reversal of his decision not investigate this case after a media blitz is clearly an indication that his sudden interest is purely an act of public relations damage-control. You should be really ashamed of yourself. In contrast to your statements your actions are not genuine and your patronizing attention is unappreciated. Ross, you have zero class. We encourage you to get it together.

Now, it took us only a few hours to identify the boys that assaulted Rehtaeh. This wasn't some high-tech operation that involved extracting private messages from someone's Facebook account. Dozens of e-mails were sent to us by kids and adults alike, most of whom had personal relationships with the rapists. Many recalled confessions made by these boys blatantly in public where they detailed the rape of an inebriated 15-year-old girl. Recent statements by police and prosecutors that there simply wasn't enough evidence to make a single arrest should be viewed solely as an admission of incompetence on their part. This wasn't “he said, she said.” He said he did it and he said it to everyone while showing them a photo of him doing it. Every officer that signed off on this “no evidence” conclusion should be guarding the entrance to a petting zoo for the remainder of their careers. We're afraid to ask if anyone even bothered to check the EXIF data on the rape/child pornography being openly shared by hundreds of students throughout your community.

The way the story is told, time and time again, these sad little boys had no fear whatsoever about admitting publicly their crimes and even spreading photographic evidence of it. Why were they unafraid? They believed no one was ever going to do anything to stop them and they were right. For this we point our fingers at the Cole Harbour school system. It is truly disturbing that this level of bullying could happen in one of your schools without you noticing. Worse, child porn was apparently viral in your halls and you had no clue. That was the excuse your staff repeated on the news yesterday wasn't it, that you didn't know. Well, it's your job to know. If the administration of that school had any honor they would all resign for failing to meet the terms of their employment.

All of you have created a mess and instead of taking responsibility and cleaning it up, the first thing you did yesterday morning was get on television and defend your jobs. You have taught the young men in your community a terrible lesson: rape is easy.

And just to clear things up once and for all for the young men in Nova Scotia who are unlikely to hear this from any of their role models: vomiting drunk girls are not capable of giving you consent to have sex with them. That kind of sex is called rape. It isn't really sex at all. If that's the only way you can laid, you are pathetic and should stick to quietly sobbing while fondling yourselves in the dark until hopefully the day comes when some woman you probably don't deserve pities you enough to teach you how to act like a real man.

At this time we can honestly say we're confident we know the identities of the people involved in Rehtaeh's rape. It would probably take us a lot longer to come up with a list of the people responsible for her death. We hope you all find some way to sleep at night.

See you Sunday.

- Anonymous.

http://pastebin.com/Q8VWUy7a

This really is quite the world we are living in

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by valo403

You pretty much are

???

Please explain.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by valo403

This post is both disgusting and terrifying.

How?

[Devils'Advocate]

I'm willing to believe the RCMP - it's a matter of "she says" vs "he and he and he and he says". And that's typically why so few rapes are ever prosecuted, and why for those that few that are prosecuted, why so few end in convictions. With such a low success rate, you can understand why so few women bother coming forward. Even if there was a rape kit (there was none in this case) the males can just say it was consensual. If she was so drunk to put up much resistance, then there is likely not enough proof.

There really isn't much the RCMP and prosecutors can do with "date rape" (or in this case "party rape"). In most cases there isn't enough evidence to get a conviction, and thus there is little deterent to the crime.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Plett25

How?

Did you not see the highlighted text? Your stance is disgusting on multiple levels.

In fact, I'd like to know your name and personal information so that I can be sure to stay as far away from you as possible. It's cool if I mine that info and publish it to the world right? And hey, if I find something in there that I can spin into making you look pretty terrible, well that's just too bad.

Seems fair doesn't it?

[polak]

I haven't read the whole thread so maybe this has been brought up but....

Like I said in the other thread, let the courts handle this before you release names. A high school girl could have easily agreed to have sex with 4 guys (who I'm assuming where in her peer group, of course), got pissed that they showed people pictures and claimed it was rape.

Innocent until proven guilty.

If proven guilty of rape, tear them apart and screw the young offenders act. Release the names Anon. I never agreed with the young offenders act for serious crimes comitted by people above preteen age.

Edit: I see this was already brought up. Carry on...

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Plett25

So you're speculating that she "begged for the sexytime"

Wow. Blame the victim.

######ed things most of us did at 15? At 15, I got nowhere near gang-bang/rape territory. Maybe you did, but I sure as hell didn't.

And as to making 18 the age you are responsible for your actions, this may be a shock to you, but not everyone believes that is a good rule.

Wow.

I honestly am not sure if you're trolling us, or are serious.

I wasn't suggesting she was begging for it, I'm saying that was one of 10,000,000 ways the situation could have unfolded, of which, we know 0 to be true yet.

We all did dumb things at 15. Some drank, some sold drugs, some do things are parties they regret, whatever the case may be. The problem is just that, we dont know, and they are kids. I'm not trying to exonerate them, but this fact cannot be discounted, it must be built into any sort of trial or punishment, as determined by the justice system, not a bunch of teenagers on the internet.

You say the mom is looking for something to blame, I say she's looking for justice.

You say suicide is a choice, I say it isn't really a choice.

The Judge Dredd reference is a strawman. Nobody is proposing summary executions.

And I don't need a "judge" to tell me what is right and what is wrong. Give me the information and I'll make up my own mind thank you very much.

Gag me with a spoon already. This is a joke, right? Where are the hidden cameras?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Plett25

???

Please explain.

It's not all that difficult. You are advocating for the virtual destruction of people's lives while openly acknowledging that you do not care if they are in fact guilty or innocent. Pathetic.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by valo403

This post is both disgusting and terrifying.

Of course, *I* find 97% of rapists never seeing jail time disgusting and terrifying.

I don't think there is a happy answer. The vigilanties want to get these boys and damn if one of them happens to be innocent - to bad so sad. The "let the police and legal system do their job" are okay with 97% of rapists getting away with their crime. Either scenario just makes me think that Rehtaeh *must* be in a better place because this one just sucks.