Cop Hits Four-year Old Girl With Motorcycle, Then Kills Dad

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Seems like you've had a lot of dealings with the police. Interesting.

I would think that most people could probably count on one hand the number of experiences they've had with the police.. and probably most of those were traffic related.

? - Don't get anything in your head.

I was 20-21 when the two cops picked a fight with us while they were in uniform. They told us to keep it "down" and we replied that we are not causing harm nor disturbance where we were (we had a criminology student with us) and they got in our face. They were puffing their chests and being pricks.

I've never personally had an issue with police and children, but many in the shelter I volunteer for do. They are messed up stories.

The decent time was when my grandmother died and I forgot to renew my plates (2 days late). He let me go with condolences. He was also RCMP who IMO are much better cops then city cops.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by GGG

Why is him being a cop even relevant to this case? He was off duty at the time.

So what happened is a person had to ditch his bike in an attempt to avoid hitting the girl. The girl got hit. The person was being beaten and so pulled a legally carried weapon and defenden himself with reasonable force.

This all happens the same way if he is or isnt a cop

If a cop is off duty, why the need for a gun. I have 3 family members on who are on the CPS 2 of them are detectives and my cousin Mike most of you see speaking on the news time to time. Like I said none of them carry a gun off duty. They have a badge, always yes. The guns go into lockup before they leave, according to what I have been told when asked that question in the past.
I read the OP article but, was this off duty officer on his police bike or his own? I still question his decision to be packing a gun.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Seems like you've had a lot of dealings with the police. Interesting.

I would think that most people could probably count on one hand the number of experiences they've had with the police.. and probably most of those were traffic related.

You get that there are other ways to have dealings with the police than being on the receiving end of an accusation, right?

From those I've met socially I'd say it's about a 50/50 split on good guys and guys who have ridiculous egos and chips on their shoulder. Friends who deal with them professionally on a daily basis have about the same opinion, although there's workplace drama and such at play there.

[Raekwon]

An off duty cop is never really off duty, if he was in a situation where police were needed he is still a police officer and having his gun could make all the difference. Of course if an officer was not in a capacity to do his job while off duty (Drinking) then in that situation he should not be carrying that weapon.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If a cop is off duty, why the need for a gun. I have 3 family members on who are on the CPS 2 of them are detectives and my cousin Mike most of you see speaking on the news time to time. Like I said none of them carry a gun off duty. They have a badge, always yes. The guns go into lockup before they leave, according to what I have been told when asked that question in the past.
I read the OP article but, was this off duty officer on his police bike or his own? I still question his decision to be packing a gun.

Its the US....... NewYork allows citizens to have conceal carry permits. Cop or not be could carry a weapon and is allowed to defend himself. The profession doesnt matter it coukd be bus driver or doctor and the result is the same

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If a cop is off duty, why the need for a gun. I have 3 family members on who are on the CPS 2 of them are detectives and my cousin Mike most of you see speaking on the news time to time. Like I said none of them carry a gun off duty. They have a badge, always yes. The guns go into lockup before they leave, according to what I have been told when asked that question in the past.
I read the OP article but, was this off duty officer on his police bike or his own? I still question his decision to be packing a gun.

I thought I heard somewhere that in some jurisdictions, off duty cops in the USA, are required to carry their firearm.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I thought I heard somewhere that in some jurisdictions, off duty cops in the USA, are required to carry their firearm.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

Sargent Rigs and Murtaugh always did.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

? - Don't get anything in your head.

I was 20-21 when the two cops picked a fight with us while they were in uniform. They told us to keep it "down" and we replied that we are not causing harm nor disturbance where we were (we had a criminology student with us) and they got in our face. They were puffing their chests and being pricks.

It would be interesting to hear their side of the story.... and there are always two sides.

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

I've never personally had an issue with police and children, but many in the shelter I volunteer for do. They are messed up stories.

Hearsay.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by FlamingLonghorn

I can say for sure I wouldn't have ran out and started beating the guy. I would have at least figured out what happened first. Accidents happen. The girl ended up being fine. If the girl was killed, I could understand the rage a little more. I would like to think my first instinct would be to check on my daughter and make sure she's ok and I would probably stay with her until the ambulance arrived.

Weird. I quoted Sowa in my post. Then I look above and he is FlamingLonghorn. Did he change his name in the space of a couple hours? Weird.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Rerun

It would be interesting to hear their side of the story.... and there are always two sides.



Hearsay.

Man you get annoying.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I thought I heard somewhere that in some jurisdictions, off duty cops in the USA, are required to carry their firearm.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

I would say you could be right.
I don't know if they are required to in the USA or just have the option to carry their service revolver if they want to but my point is if they are not required to carry a handgun off duty then it doesn't mean they are obligated to so why carry a handgun.

My stance on handguns is probably different than most so I will leave it at that.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by valo403

You get that there are other ways to have dealings with the police than being on the receiving end of an accusation, right?

Most people who seem relate bad experiences seem to have confrontational dealings with the police. No doubt they push the police and the police push back.

Not saying their aren't bad apples on the police force... of course there are. But what I am saying is the good ones far outweigh the bad ones. And even the good ones have a breaking point when they have to put up with sheit from people all day long when they are just trying to do there jobs.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Man you get annoying.

Case dismissed.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Man you get annoying.

Yup it really is annoying when people question if a story has another point of view.

Rather, we should all simply accept the claim that police officers "picked a fight with you".

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Most people who seem relate bad experiences seem to have confrontational dealings with the police. No doubt they push the police and the police push back.

Not saying their aren't bad apples on the police force... of course there are. But what I am saying is the good ones far outweigh the bad ones. And even the good ones have a breaking point when they have to put up with sheit from people all day long when they are just trying to do there jobs.

Sure, but eveyone has a right to assert themselves. Cops want a "yes sir" "no sir" response. I ask them questions when they ask me questions. You know, being assertive and not allowing them to push me around. That's what they don't like. Growing up I befriended a cop from 16-20 and he was outstanding and taught me a lot. In fact he made me want to be a cop but they weren't hiring white males at the time and then I smartened up and thought better about being a cop. What I do isn't wrong and to even assume or accuse me when you weren't apart of it is BS.

To assume the people going through hell and simply dismiss it is certainly a character flaw that you suffer from. Why don't you volunteer your time and learn what actually happens.

Cops are just trying to do their jobs when half of them are D-bags is not doing their jobs. They are a peace force with terrible interpersonal training.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yup it really is annoying when people question if a story has another point of view.

Rather, we should all simply accept the claim that police officers "picked a fight with you".

Yes, you should assume I am speaking the truth.

We where there having fun with each other. No pushing and fighting and there was no yelling/disturbing others. We were laughing and joking around with each other (5 of us). You weren't there and I was. Seriously it was a low point for a police force in my mind and I was shocked and deeply angered by it. Perhaps you or Rerun could ask for more detail instead of instantly assume I'm lying or exaggerating.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Sure, but eveyone has a right to assert themselves. Cops want a "yes sir" "no sir" response. I ask them questions when they ask me questions. You know, being assertive and not allowing them to push me around. That's what they don't like. Growing up I befriended a cop from 16-20 and he was outstanding and taught me a lot. In fact he made me want to be a cop but they weren't hiring white males at the time and then I smartened up and thought better about being a cop. What I do isn't wrong and to even assume or accuse me when you weren't apart of it is BS.

To assume the people going through hell and simply dismiss it is certainly a character flaw that you suffer from. Why don't you volunteer your time and learn what actually happens.

Cops are just trying to do their jobs when half of them are D-bags is not doing their jobs. They are a peace force with terrible interpersonal training.

Just put yourself in the cops shoes... all day long, five days a week, you have to put up with crap from people (cop haters) just like you. By the end of the week wouldn't your temper be a little bit on the short side? .... just saying...

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Yes, you should assume I am speaking the truth.

We where there having fun with each other. No pushing and fighting and there was no yelling/disturbing others. We were laughing and joking around with each other (5 of us). You weren't there and I was. Seriously it was a low point for a police force in my mind and I was shocked and deeply angered by it. Perhaps you or Rerun could ask for more detail instead of instantly assume I'm lying or exaggerating.

In my experience most of the time when someone claims that someone else was "picking a fight with them" they are equally at fault.

And your comments regarding police officers in this very thread cause me to question if you are providing an accurate representation of the facts. I'm sure you think you are, but I think your perception is clouded by your feelings towards officers.

In short, I don't find your story credible. As is my right.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Yes, you should assume I am speaking the truth.

By virtue of your username, I assume everything you post is a lie...

I have had my share of run-ins with the law, every time I have treated the officer(s) with respect, and I have received the same in kind.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Just put yourself in the cops shoes... all day long, five days a week, you have to put up with crap from people (cop haters) just like you. By the end of the week wouldn't your temper be a little bit on the short side? .... just saying...

I don't have a temper. I don't yell or insult them. I simply ask questions and if they get a annoyed by it it is their problem not mine. If they can't do the job it's their problem not mine.

I respect very few police. I don't hate them and I don't like the accusation. Teachers have a hard job too and they aren't in your face about it. Police departments attract a certain character in the city and that character lacks a good personality. Not all of them but most that I had the pleasure of seeing.

Just saying as well.