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Old 05-14-2005, 07:24 PM   #41
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Isn't it parliamentary convention that when one member of a party is unable to vote, a corresponding member of the opposing party agrees not to vote?

I thought this happened all the time? Sure it's a bit of a bigger deal due to the stakes, but I'm pretty sure arrangements are made all the time for counter-voting.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:29 PM   #42
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Originally posted by Agamemnon@May 15 2005, 12:24 AM
Isn't it parliamentary convention that when one member of a party is unable to vote, a corresponding member of the opposing party agrees not to vote?

I thought this happened all the time? Sure it's a bit of a bigger deal due to the stakes, but I'm pretty sure arrangements are made all the time for counter-voting.
It happens sometime, but not all the time.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:38 PM   #43
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Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+May 15 2005, 12:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ May 15 2005, 12:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@May 15 2005, 12:24 AM
Isn't it parliamentary convention that when one member of a party is unable to vote, a corresponding member of the opposing party agrees not to vote?

I thought this happened all the time? Sure it's a bit of a bigger deal due to the stakes, but I'm pretty sure arrangements are made all the time for counter-voting.
It happens sometime, but not all the time. [/b][/quote]
It seems like the honourable thing to do... I'd be surprised if a vote of confidence were won or lost because an MP couldn't show up to vote.
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Old 05-15-2005, 12:14 PM   #44
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Originally posted by Winsor_Pilates+May 14 2005, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winsor_Pilates @ May 14 2005, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FlamesAllTheWay@May 13 2005, 04:06 PM
Agreed, he is being a good politician and any other person in his position would do the same. However, I take issue with the fact that the party with only 19ish% nationwide support seems to be having the biggest say and influence in budgetary matters. All this simply because the Liberal's will do anything to stay in power at this point.
I can see your issue. If I didn't agree with many NDP priorities I would take issue too. If we changed this to a hypothetical situation where the CPC was getting their way into the budget I would be bothered myself.

I just think that's its stupid to blame that on the NDP as it would be stupid for me to blame the CPC in my hypothetical situation.

I think the issue should be with the party in power who is getting used, and not with the party who is using them.

If you don't like the NDP, you should be mad at the Libs for giving them that control. but the people who bash Layton and his party for taking it clearly have no understanding of politics. [/b][/quote]
Oh i'm not bashing Layton or the NDP at all, sorry if I came off like that. The Liberal's threw the offer on the table and Layton wisely took it, he would have been stupid not too.

As you guessed, I don't totally agree with too much of the NDP platform at all so the fact that the budget really looks like an NDP one even though less than a 5th of the country support em bothers me. But it was the Liberal's that caused this and, again, the NDP would have been stupid not too take their offer. Also, as you said, it'd probably bother me less if the CPC was in the NDP's position though, heheh.

All depend's on your preconceived bias's and perspective's I guess ...
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:48 PM   #45
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Oh i'm not bashing Layton or the NDP at all, sorry if I came off like that.
You didn't.
I wasn't talking about you specifically, I was just talking about the people who do.
Your post was quite fair. Sorry if I came off as pointing the finger at you. B-)
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Hill said party whips had worked out a deal that will effectively pair Liberal Natural Resources Minister John Efford, who is undergoing treatment for diabetes, with Stinson, who has surgery scheduled this week.

Both men should now be able to stay home without affecting the balance of forces in the Commons, said Hill. The agreement was expected to be formalized today.

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