What are your thoughts on Glen Gulutzan's system?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Nope Hartley did not relay on the stretch pass 2 years ago the D always had the green light to go. Gio, Brodie, Wideman, Russell all skated the puck out.
Fans became frustrated last season when you didn't see that as much.
Gulutzan has knocked off his disorganized BS and went back to traditional hockey. That is not a wonder boy system that's hockey.
He was the toll mixing up all the defensive pairings and coaching like a clown. In the past month since his feet started to get red from the fire he simply went to what works around the league if you have have 3 very mobile D men. Gio, Brodie, Hamilton.
And you have to get solid goaltending. One of them finally stepped up.
Backlund has given that second line such balance. The Flames have 5 legitimate offensive forwards Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Backlund, Tkachuk, Frolik.
Hamilton, Gio, Brodie solid 2 way in the attack and defending.
When the D jumps up a LW always covers just like it was with Hartley 2 seasons ago.
That is what has turned this around.
They went back to what worked before Gulutzan.

Whatever you need to tell yourself so that you can be comfortable with what's going on.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

"he changed his system and is coaching more like Hartley now"

lol

in other words: I have an irrational hate for him and, now that the team is playing well, the only way I can justify it in my mind is to imagine/pretend that he has stopped acting like himself and is somehow trying to act like the guy I do like.

Gulutzan thought he could come into the league cocky and look at my guru system. And it was junk, a chaotic mess. Not to mention he kept effing with match-up that were pure stupidity.
He has abandoned all of that crap and went to what has worked before him, what works around the league when you have 2 reliable scoring lines and at least 3 mobile attacking defenders along with solid goaltending.
Yes Gulutzan got back to basics and if you can't see that then you are not paying attention to the last 20 years around the league.
Gulutzan was a rooster that thought he could come into the NHL and out fox the foxes. Well guess what if what to out smart the other teams you have to start by doing what is proven and coach to your teams strengths.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Regardless of the nuts and bolts of the system, the most refreshing part of the coaching so far has been the willingness to adapt.

The lines have really gone through the blender a few times, and failed experiments didn't get pushed excessively hard. The clear starting goaltender lasted a quarter of the season before they altered the plan and rode the hot goalie. The PP took a little longer than I would have liked, but that's tough to place all on the coaches' shoulders - Johnny and the other stars were just not feeling it. The best part is that they didn't just revert to what worked last year, they found something better and went with it. It's the benefit of a fresh face behind the bench.

This season certainly had a lot to dislike at the beginning, and certainly part of the rebound has been the players buying in to the system. But there were coaching errors and failed experiments that were corrected, and that says a lot about the coaching attitude.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Nope Hartley did not relay on the stretch pass 2 years ago the D always had the green light to go. Gio, Brodie, Wideman, Russell all skated the puck out.
Fans became frustrated last season when you didn't see that as much.
Gulutzan has knocked off his disorganized BS and went back to traditional hockey. That is not a wonder boy system that's hockey.
He was the one constantly mixing up all the defensive pairings and coaching like a clown. He was the one injecting bozos like Vey into the lineup.
In the past month since his feet started to get red from the fire he simply went to what works around the league if you have have 3 very mobile D men. Gio, Brodie, Hamilton.
And you have to get solid goaltending. One of them finally stepped up.
Backlund has given that second line such balance. The Flames have 5 legitimate offensive forwards Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Backlund, Tkachuk, Frolik.
Hamilton, Gio, Brodie solid 2 way in the attack and defending.
When the D jumps up a LW always covers just like it was with Hartley 2 seasons ago.
That is what has turned this around.
They went back to what worked before Gulutzan.

And 2 offensive defencemen in Gio, Brodie, and Hamilton

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Regardless of the nuts and bolts of the system, the most refreshing part of the coaching so far has been the willingness to adapt.

The lines have really gone through the blender a few times, and failed experiments didn't get pushed excessively hard. The clear starting goaltender lasted a quarter of the season before they altered the plan and rode the hot goalie. The PP took a little longer than I would have liked, but that's tough to place all on the coaches' shoulders - Johnny and the other stars were just not feeling it. The best part is that they didn't just revert to what worked last year, they found something better and went with it. It's the benefit of a fresh face behind the bench.

This season certainly had a lot to dislike at the beginning, and certainly part of the rebound has been the players buying in to the system. But there were coaching errors and failed experiments that were corrected, and that says a lot about the coaching attitude.

I would agree with that at least Gulutzan was willing to change when it clearly wasn't working.
He is learning that adapting will get you farther.
Many coaches would not be so willing to bend.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I would agree with that at least Gulutzan was willing to change when it clearly wasn't working.
He is learning that adapting will get you farther.
Many coaches would not be so willing to bend.

Dude, are you serious?

GG didn't change the system, you can see how much more of a controlled game we are playing now compared to past seasons. The players are starting to understand it and buy in to it, as simple as that. That plus the combo of good goaltending and our top guys producing.

If you think this is the same game as Hartley's team the last couple seasons, you definitely have an irrational hate for GG.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

"he changed his system and is coaching more like Hartley now"

lol

in other words: I have an irrational hate for him and, now that the team is playing well, the only way I can justify it in my mind is to imagine/pretend that he has stopped acting like himself and is somehow trying to act like the guy I do like.

Most accurate inference ever made on this board.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Gulutzan thought he could come into the league cocky and look at my guru system. And it was junk, a chaotic mess. Not to mention he kept effing with match-up that were pure stupidity.

He has abandoned all of that crap and went to what has worked before him, what works around the league when you have 2 reliable scoring lines and at least 3 mobile attacking defenders along with solid goaltending.

Yes Gulutzan got back to basics and if you can't see that then you are not paying attention to the last 20 years around the league.

Gulutzan was a rooster that thought he could come into the NHL and out fox the foxes. Well guess what if what to out smart the other teams you have to start by doing what is proven and coach to your teams strengths.

My god, you are bitter.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Gulutzan thought he could come into the league cocky and look at my guru system. And it was junk, a chaotic mess. Not to mention he kept effing with match-up that were pure stupidity.
He has abandoned all of that crap and went to what has worked before him, what works around the league when you have 2 reliable scoring lines and at least 3 mobile attacking defenders along with solid goaltending.
Yes Gulutzan got back to basics and if you can't see that then you are not paying attention to the last 20 years around the league.
Gulutzan was a rooster that thought he could come into the NHL and out fox the foxes. Well guess what if what to out smart the other teams you have to start by doing what is proven and coach to your teams strengths.

Did he hit on your girlfriend or something?

[Max Cow Disease]

I've never really grasped claims like "he came in to the league/season thinking he was smarter than everyone else with a guru system", or what they could possibly be based upon. All I recall Gulutzan saying prior to the season was that he wanted to have the team playing tighter hockey as a wolf pack/five-man unit. There was never anything that outlandish or mold-breaking about what he seemed to be proposing.

I think it highlights some level of personal bias to claim that the Flames are only having success now because Gulutzan tamed his hipster coaching urges and is now simply employing time-honoured Don Cherry hockey or something. What I see, is a team that had a rough start, a coach that had to learn a bit about the team he was coaching, and a team now that's beginning to finally put all of that together (hopefully).

[MisterJoji]

Saying Gulutzan has changed his system is a farce. They are still doing short quick passes out of the defensive zone, moving as a 5 man unit. There is the odd occasion where they try to catch the opposing team cheating and hit Johnny with a stretch pass but the majority of the time it's a quick chip off the wall with the player receiving the puck moving it to a winger as fast as possible with the rest of the team quickly transitioning up the ice. Exact same thing they were doing from game 1. The difference is the players aren't constantly fumbling and bumbling the puck. Is that them learning the system or just the fact that our best players missed a lot of preseason? Who knows and who cares. I was one of the most vocal guys against Gulutzan but to say the recent success isn't a result of the system he has implemented is ridiculous. Stay Golden just eat your crow, it's delicious.

[Roof-Daddy]

It never ceases to amaze me the mental hurdles some people will jump through in order to make things fit their own personal narrative.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Stay Ignorant

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Gulutzan thought he could come into the league cocky and look at my guru system. And it was junk, a chaotic mess. Not to mention he kept effing with match-up that were pure stupidity.
He has abandoned all of that crap and went to what has worked before him, what works around the league when you have 2 reliable scoring lines and at least 3 mobile attacking defenders along with solid goaltending.
Yes Gulutzan got back to basics and if you can't see that then you are not paying attention to the last 20 years around the league.
Gulutzan was a rooster that thought he could come into the NHL and out fox the foxes. Well guess what if what to out smart the other teams you have to start by doing what is proven and coach to your teams strengths.

Man, I can't even...wtf are you talking about?? GG has changed nothing, he stuck with his plan, nothing has changed!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Gulutzan thought he could come into the league cocky and look at my guru system. And it was junk, a chaotic mess. Not to mention he kept effing with match-up that were pure stupidity.
He has abandoned all of that crap and went to what has worked before him, what works around the league when you have 2 reliable scoring lines and at least 3 mobile attacking defenders along with solid goaltending.
Yes Gulutzan got back to basics and if you can't see that then you are not paying attention to the last 20 years around the league.
Gulutzan was a rooster that thought he could come into the NHL and out fox the foxes. Well guess what if what to out smart the other teams you have to start by doing what is proven and coach to your teams strengths.

This is just...so....wrong.

Like....completely opposite of what happened.

The players have adapted to what he has been selling since day 1 and you can see it plain as day.

Very odd observation to say the least.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Gulutzan thought he could come into the league cocky and look at my guru system.

Yup. Because you know, it's not like he had any NHL coaching experience before. He was only head coach of the Dallas Stars and assistant coach of the Vancouver Canucks. I don't know what league they play in, but it sure ain't the NHL. Yes indeed, he came into the league thinking he had a brand-new system that had never been tried before.

Y'all excuse me. My eyes rolled so hard they came out of their sockets. I have to go and look for them now.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I would agree with that at least Gulutzan was willing to change when it clearly wasn't working.
He is learning that adapting will get you farther.
Many coaches would not be so willing to bend.

You mean like Hartley on many things?

[Lanny'sDaMan]

I said earlier in the season that I could not see any systems in place. And at the time it was a fair assessment due to the final product on ice. Thank all the gods that I was wrong. The system is clear and the players are executing it very well.

I will take my helping of crow, and deservedly so.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yup. Because you know, it's not like he had any NHL coaching experience before. He was only head coach of the Dallas Stars and assistant coach of the Vancouver Canucks. I don't know what league they play in, but it sure ain't the NHL. Yes indeed, he came into the league thinking he had a brand-new system that had never been tried before.

Y'all excuse me. My eyes rolled so hard they came out of their sockets. I have to go and look for them now.

GG has them rolling now, which is nice as I was definitely critical earlier. It was tough to try to determine what he wanted to do on the PP earlier because they never entered the zone or had possession. But he definitely has them buying in now.

I do have to say, having seen the Canucks play, it would be fair to say he had not coached a NHL team in awhile before this year.

[Vulcan]

Here is some of my Monday Morning quarterbacking thoughts.

Back in July it would be reasonable to think that we'd get off to a slow start.

New unproven coach trying to establish a new system.

Two of our star players coming in with new big contracts and would miss part of our camp. With that it became even worse with one of them being injured and the other a hold out.

This we all knew and should have taken it into account when predicting our season. That's not to say that I wasn't frustrated as well as it looked like our season was done before it got off the ground as I never thought it would be this bad of a start or at least I was hopeful. Needless to say the patience is paying off as we now look like a fine team with a great future. Now all it needs is for Brodie to get into the plus column.