Canada Post likely will be locked out/on strike - July 2

[Resolute 14]

In other news, Canada Post has backed off the lockout threat as negotiations have resumed:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cana...mail-1.3672570

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

In other news, Canada Post has backed off the lockout threat as negotiations have resumed:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cana...mail-1.3672570

It's interesting that they would not follow through, twice, after telling what few regular mail dependant clients they have left to switch to electronic form of bill payments. Once those folks make the switch it is very unlikely they would switch back. One could view this as a way of reducing future labour needs.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It's interesting that they would not follow through, twice, after telling what few regular mail dependant clients they have left to switch to electronic form of bill payments. Once those folks make the switch it is very unlikely they would switch back. One could view this as a way of reducing future labour needs.

Those last six people will likely be dead by the next contract anyways. That future labour need will be completed by natural attrition faster than it will be coerced by CP.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It's interesting that they would not follow through, twice, after telling what few regular mail dependant clients they have left to switch to electronic form of bill payments. Once those folks make the switch it is very unlikely they would switch back. One could view this as a way of reducing future labour needs.

Would you rather have the lockout as opposed to further negotiations? It's better for both sides to keep the negotiations going.

Warning people of a possible lockout and things they should do is a good thing. If postal workers are concerned with that then maybe they fear the inevitable change that's coming. You can't be a dinosaur forever.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

IOne could view this as a way of reducing future labour needs.

As a less sarcastic response, IMO it's also posturing. They've told retailers, large customers, etc. to make other arrangements for shipping months in advance, they're driving home the email message to the last few holdouts; to me that says they're showing they're not worried about losing short and/or long term business, including which, a strike or lockout.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dion

Would you rather have the lockout as opposed to further negotiations? It's better for both sides to keep the negotiations going.

Warning people of a possible lockout and things they should do is a good thing. If postal workers are concerned with that then maybe they fear the inevitable change that's coming. You can't be a dinosaur forever.

Absolutely it is better, I just find it odd that a company would put itself in a position to needlessly lose business like that. It is good for them to warn people of a possible disruption but one would think a business wouldn't put itself at that kind of risk for lost revenue unless they were certain they had to. I don't think anyone is concerned with that, I think most postal workers have seen the writing on the wall as far as regular mail service is concerned for a long time.

Canada post essentially just told the union that they were at least partially bluffing on their stance that their is no room for negotiation on any of their remaining proposals. Just seems like a poor decision all around to lose customers for yourself while conceding to the union that you are willing to soften your stance. As I've stated before, strikes and lockouts are supposed to be used as a last resort to get the other side to move, because once you have one, you lose something no matter what's When a company does something like this they show their hand somewhat, so in my opinion it would have been better for them to have moved on the few items they are willing to move on before serving the lockout notice.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

As a less sarcastic response, IMO it's also posturing. They've told retailers, large customers, etc. to make other arrangements for shipping months in advance, they're driving home the email message to the last few holdouts; to me that says they're showing they're not worried about losing short and/or long term business, including which, a strike or lockout.

That is a valid argument, and I had taken that into consideration, however I just feel as though it's a poorly thought out tactic, they lost the same amount of business they would have lost had they actually locked out the workers and they simply gained nothing from it, now they will likely make some movement on their offer in the union's favour with the hopes of getting a deal done, and if a deal is not reached they will likely need to repeat the exact same process again. So it boils down to, Canada post lost business and will likely give a little more to the union, while postal employees lost no income yet will likely make gains at the bargaining table.

There's just not enough gained by Canada post for this to make sense. As far as showing the union they are willing to lose money to get the deal they want, I'm not sure it really puts more fear into employees who were ready to be locked out on Friday, and then Monday by costing yourself business while trying to make the argument that you need your deal due to financial reasons. If anything it will strengthen the union's resolve because the argument can, and rightfully or wrongfully, will be made that it looks like Canada post are not in as dire of a financial situation as they claim to be in if they are willing to throw business away without it being absolutely necessary.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

That is a valid argument, and I had taken that into consideration, however I just feel as though it's a poorly thought out tactic, they lost the same amount of business they would have lost had they actually locked out the workers and they simply gained nothing from it, now they will likely make some movement on their offer in the union's favour with the hopes of getting a deal done, and if a deal is not reached they will likely need to repeat the exact same process again. So it boils down to, Canada post lost business and will likely give a little more to the union, while postal employees lost no income yet will likely make gains at the bargaining table.

There's just not enough gained by Canada post for this to make sense. As far as showing the union they are willing to lose money to get the deal they want, I'm not sure it really puts more fear into employees who were ready to be locked out on Friday, and then Monday by costing yourself business while trying to make the argument that you need your deal due to financial reasons. If anything it will strengthen the union's resolve because the argument can, and rightfully or wrongfully, will be made that it looks like Canada post are not in as dire of a financial situation as they claim to be in if they are willing to throw business away without it being absolutely necessary.

I'm just gonna pitch a conspiracy theory here. Maybe CP is ok with losing some of their letter mail, because they make way more in parcels, and if the letter mail was reduced, they could eliminate a bunch of expensive, unionized carriers. It's your McDonalds computer nightmare in real life. Becoming efficient. Stopping the cutting of trees and delivering of it to millions of people, to tell them something they could receive electronically.

Dear Mr. iggy oi

Your bill is $100.

Regards,

Power Company


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[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'm just gonna pitch a conspiracy theory here. Maybe CP is ok with losing some of their letter mail, because they make way more in parcels, and if the letter mail was reduced, they could eliminate a bunch of expensive, unionized carriers. It's your McDonalds computer nightmare in real life. Becoming efficient. Stopping the cutting of trees and delivering of it to millions of people, to tell them something they could receive electronically.

Dear Mr. iggy oi

Your bill is $100.

Regards,

Power Company


Delivered via epost

[Table 5]

So if I send out a package today, are chances pretty good that it will get out of the country? Or is there still a chance there might be a strike/lockout this week?

[Resolute 14]

Since Canada post rescinded the lockout notice, I would think they would have to issue a new 72-hour notice if talks broke down again. If that belief is accurate, then you should be fine.

[albertGQ]

So any news on negotiations?

[Resolute 14]

Probably won't hear anything until there is either an agreement or either side issues a new strike/lockout notice.

[calgarygeologist]

The Canada Post strike has been avoided for almost two months but the union is ready to give 72 hour strike notice tomorrow because, once again, contract negotiations have been going nowhere. They could be on strike as soon as Sunday.

Edit: CUPW is having a press conference tomorrow morning at 8am MST. I'm assuming this is to officially call a strike.

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The Canada Post strike has been avoided for almost two months but the union is ready to give 72 hour strike notice tomorrow because, once again, contract negotiations have been going nowhere. They could be on strike as soon as Sunday.

Edit: CUPW is having a press conference tomorrow morning at 8am MST. I'm assuming this is to officially call a strike.

ya it's looking that way...


[quote]Yesterday we met with Canada Post and the Minister of Labour with the mediators present, to review all the issues in dispute. We were anticipating a different approach, but instead it was the same old rhetoric. Canada Post is maintaining its unacceptable demands rollbacks: precarious part-time and temporary employment, no improvements in staffing, the ability to close all 493 protected CUPW staffed retail locations eliminating up to 1200 full-time jobs, continuing the attack on our retirement security by wanting to increase the cost of retiree benefits and changing to a defined contribution pension plan for all new regular employees and to change the working conditions for all Urban employees. Canada Post’s proposal on pay equity for RSMCs was nothing more than an attempt to complicate and delay that process. Canada Post wants to drag out pay equity with binding arbitration, a process that could take years or even decades. . Surprisingly, Canada Post did not include any demands for growth during its presentations yesterday. Canada Post mentioned nothing about parcels or unaddressed admail or any other way to increase revenues and grow the company. This is not an approach that will lead to negotiated collective agreements.[quote]

[CaptainCrunch]

Fair enough go on strike, lock up the stores and the gates, encourage everyone to go actively green with e-deliveries, and people will send parcels in other ways.

Let these guys sit out there with their signs and their lawnchairs for a year.

[puckedoff]

I'm sure striking for higher pay will be very well received in Alberta right now. Regardless I wish them the best of luck - I know I won't miss receiving junk mail for a bit.

[Ironhorse]

I hope CP goes full Reagan on them.

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Fair enough go on strike, lock up the stores and the gates, encourage everyone to go actively green with e-deliveries, and people will send parcels in other ways.

Let these guys sit out there with their signs and their lawnchairs for a year.

HEY..... I gotta make a living somehow. It sucks cuz the main issues have zero effect on me and im gonna lose out on income because of it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The Canada Post strike has been avoided for almost two months but the union is ready to give 72 hour strike notice tomorrow because, once again, contract negotiations have been going nowhere. They could be on strike as soon as Sunday.

Edit: CUPW is having a press conference tomorrow morning at 8am MST. I'm assuming this is to officially call a strike.

Let em rot on the picket line! A strike will only hurt the unions cause and result in a loss of jobs as people and businesses will find other ways to ship their products.