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Enoch Root · 10-25-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If the Flames trade for Eichel, I hope 5 minutes later they sign Gaudreau to an 8 year extension, then 5 minutes after that they sign Tkachuk to an 8 year extension.

Gaudreau - Eichel -
Tkachuk - Lindholm -

That's a strong 4 core forwards to build around for the next 5 years.

I really like Gaudreau and Lindholm together. Also, Gaudreau and Eichel both want to be the playmaker. I would go with

Eichel - Tkachuk
Gaudreau - Lindholm

as my pairs

Matty81 · 10-25-2021, 03:23 PM

Too bad this is just an orange Julius guy instead of a nhl insider. Or am I missing something?

And yes great forward and goalie groups but I still think short a top dman to be a real contender.

Roof-Daddy · 10-25-2021, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I just did it real quick, using your suggested contracts.

I also assumed Monahan, Dube and Valimaki are gone. And Lucic moved.

$72M for 13 guys, would have to fill the roster with 10 players of under $1M

But... you'd have:

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Coleman
Backlund

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev

Markstrom
Vladar

That's the core of a contender

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Originally Posted by Matty81

Solid...but....

And yes great forward and goalie groups but I still think short a top dman to be a real contender.

Unless someone emerges they have no legit #1 Dman.

I'd still take my chances with that core over the one we currently have.

Vinny01 · 10-25-2021, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Matty81

Too bad this is just an orange Julius guy instead of a nhl insider. Or am I missing something?

And yes great forward and goalie groups but I still think short a top dman to be a real contender.

Very much orange Julius.

Friedman got Radioed as he said the Flames and Knights are still teams he is hearing with Anaheim cooling and still sounds like nothing is coming. The grievance path seems likely.

Some HF guy who says he knows someone says he is hearing Calgary is pushing to close the deal and it is close. Buffalo doesn’t want the grievance as well which hopefully closes the deal shortly. The Hf guy has speculated pieces he has heard.

No one knows if it is true but a couple of things happened that has everyone excited.

Sofa GM · 10-25-2021, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rohara66

He also posted this:

I like the Calgary proposal on this, Mangipane or Dube is too much. Buffalo isn't in a position of strength here.

blankall · 10-25-2021, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I really like Gaudreau and Lindholm together. Also, Gaudreau and Eichel both want to be the playmaker. I would go with

Eichel - Tkachuk
Gaudreau - Lindholm

as my pairs

That would be pretty f-ing incredible. Throwing Gaudreau and Eichel at the other team back to back would be very difficult to deal with.

I would try Gaudreau and Eichel together, for the reason that Gaudreau creates so much space, and Eichel is one of the best in the league at using space.

Classic_Sniper · 10-25-2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

The leafs have 3 guys over $10M. I feel like if they think they can get Tkachuk and Johnny signed then it makes sense to keep Dube and send Mangiapane.

I agree there is no way to keep all 3 while adding Eichel. I feel like it is most likely that they move Dube today and then Tkachuk would be moved in the summer to St.Louis/Ottawa for the most futures possible which softens the blow of the futures out for Eichel.

I would trade Hanifin or Coleman before I'd trade Tkachuk for cap purposes. I know Hanifin is youngish, but he does not bring good value for $5M. Ditto for Coleman, good player, but a luxury.

Eichel ($10M) > Hanifin + Coleman ($10M)

Enoch Root · 10-25-2021, 03:36 PM

Mangiapane - Eichel - Tkachuk
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Coleman

Enoch Root · 10-25-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I would trade Hanifin or Coleman before I'd trade Tkachuk for cap purposes. I know Hanifin is youngish, but he does not bring good value for $5M. Ditto for Coleman, good player, but a luxury.

Eichel ($10M) > Hanifin + Coleman ($10M)

Somebody has to play defense

mile · 10-25-2021, 03:38 PM

IMO Defense hasn't been an issue for us so far, even without a traditional #1 defenseman. And Sutter always seems to find a way to get the most out of his D. If Mangiapane and Dube stay and Eichel is added? That would be an incredible forward group.

I hope Tre is trying to sell to Buffalo that Valimaki can play RD. I feel like Mackey can replace him on the 3rd pairing.

dissentowner · 10-25-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We KNOW what we have with Mangiapane.

We THINK we know what we have with Dube

We HOPE we know what we have with Pelletier.

If one of these 3 are to be included, Pelletier is the preference, then Dube. Mangiapane is a 'no'

Then thank Christ you are not our GM. Mangiapane is a good winger but he can't be a no in a trade that brings you a franchise young C. That is crazy.

djsFlames · 10-25-2021, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matty81

Too bad this is just an orange Julius guy instead of a nhl insider. Or am I missing something?

And yes great forward and goalie groups but I still think short a top dman to be a real contender.

Friedman this morning says team he has heard most about is Calgary.

Then HF guy says Calgary has been frontrunner for a few weeks, in a chess match around pieces involved, specifically Dube/Mangi vs Vali/prospect.

OJ rumour but dude appears to have a lot of specifics, and it falls in line with Friedman's remarks.

Either way, some grounds for excitement. But I'm in the same boat. I'm not believing it until I see "it is close" from an NHL insider.

As for the top d-man... maybe we recoup Gio for cheap next season?

Icantwhisper · 10-25-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I would trade Hanifin or Coleman before I'd trade Tkachuk for cap purposes. I know Hanifin is youngish, but he does not bring good value for $5M. Ditto for Coleman, good player, but a luxury.

Eichel ($10M) > Hanifin + Coleman ($10M)

Doesn't send a good message to any UFA you want to sign in the future.
Can't see Monahan or Coleman being involved, if you're the GM of Buffalo why would you want Monahan?

Vinny01 · 10-25-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I would trade Hanifin or Coleman before I'd trade Tkachuk for cap purposes. I know Hanifin is youngish, but he does not bring good value for $5M. Ditto for Coleman, good player, but a luxury.

Eichel ($10M) > Hanifin + Coleman ($10M)

I think Hanifin is one of the best value contracts on the team. He is so critical now with Gio and Brodie moving on.

Azhouse · 10-25-2021, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

As for the top d-man... maybe we recoup Gio for cheap next season?

No thanks.

CliffFletcher · 10-25-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Doesn't send a good message to any UFA you want to sign in the future.
Can't see Monahan or Coleman being involved, if you're the GM of Buffalo why would you want Monahan?

Because they’re trying to move a player with a $10 mil cap hit, and two of the three teams that are supposedly still in the mix are right up against the cap. They’re going to have to take at least $5 mil back. I agree that Monahan doesn’t have much value (which is why a Calgary deal likely involves more pieces going back to Buffalo), but it’s very hard to see a plausible deal that doesn’t involve him.

JohnnyHockey · 10-25-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

This is the crazy thing to me.

He was willing to pay a first and two seconds for Travis Hamonic.

But he’s not willing to pay four first round assets for Eichel?

GTFO Brad. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Perhaps he learned from his mistake.

Classic_Sniper · 10-25-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Somebody has to play defense

I’d try to bring Gio back next season at a home town discount. I believe he said he hasn’t sold his house in Calgary, which leads me to believe he’s not done with cowtown just yet.

shutout · 10-25-2021, 04:05 PM

I would trade Mangiapane if for no other reason than to not have to read or listen to a bunch of idiots that keep calling him Eat Bread.

Classic_Sniper · 10-25-2021, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Doesn't send a good message to any UFA you want to sign in the future.
Can't see Monahan or Coleman being involved, if you're the GM of Buffalo why would you want Monahan?

No, I’m not including Coleman as a piece for Eichel, I’ve already posted what I believe they’d want, which is mostly futures. My point about Hanifin and Coleman are in regards to next offseason with a potential looming cap crunch if Eichel is acquired.

As for Monahan, he makes the most sense for Buffalo as contracts have to go back to make the cap work. Im sure they’d rather have Lindholm, but that’s not even negotiable. He’s as untouchable as it gets here.