[GDT] Young Stars Classic: Flames vs Jets

[Samonadreau]

I for one like that Tkachuk plays with an edge. He knows what he's doing. He's not going to be a liability and he's not going to be that reckless outside of this tournament.

[sun]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Just like every other forum.
Fans tend to favor their team.
Stunning.

Exactly. I take this knowledge, recognize the irrationality, and use it to call a spade a spade. I'm not gonna praise the guy in red who elbows someone in the head and lynch the guy in blue who does the same.

[PeteMoss]

Ah... I'm confident that if Lemieux makes it as a full time NHLer it will be understood why Tkachuk hates him. He's a diving, cheap shot pest guy. He was suspended at least 3 times in his junior career. He's definitely Claude's son. If you have to have a go at him, why not do it in a rookie game where there's no real consequences to it.

[sun]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ah... I'm confident that if Lemieux makes it as a full time NHLer it will be understood why Tkachuk hates him. He's a diving, cheap shot pest guy. He's definitely Claude's son. If you have to have a go at him, why not do it in a rookie game where there's no real consequences to it.

So what? He can hate him all he wants. Let the goal horn do the talking or take a number and hit him when he has the puck.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by sun

Load of crap, clever point lol. An emoji too! What an intelligent contribution, cheers.

He's either a) easily rattled by something Lemieux did/said or b) "revved up" and decides the best expenditure of that energy is leaping at someone's head (elbow extended) crosschecking someone in the back of the head (repeatedly) while they were defenceless on the ice, and throwing cheapshot punches behind the ref to an opponent with his hands tied up.

Take your pick.

No one said he will play with this "reckless abandon" "constantly". The fact that he played like a cheapshot artist in one meaningless game is bad enough.

Again, you're judging an 18 year old kid in his first game in a NHL uniform.

You don't have to praise the act, but the way he played as a whole showed something the Flames sorely lack.

The fact you're spinning the single incident and trying to infer he's a cheap-shot artist is a huge stretch, and as I said, a load of crap.

Again, you're completely missing the context and grossly over-dramatizing one play.

[JiriHrdina]

Yeah this seems like a pretty extreme fight on the basis of a prospect tournament game
Though I totallu anticipate for Tkachuk to be a real dick to play against

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by robaur

But it wouldn't...thats exactly the point. I'm glad to see that Tkachuk is capable of play like this. It makes him a bully. Thats a huge positive in his game.

If he puts up major points and has shades of playing dirty...keeping the other team off-balance....I'm all for it. The Flames needed a dirtbag in the baddest way....and to get that in a guy who can rack up the points...I'm all for it.

I don't understand people who say dirty hockey is wrong.....it ain't wrong at the professional level if it helps you win games.

There's being rough and being a jerk, but this is just out right being an idiot

How can you even call this a hockey play? Lemieux never had the puck. A blindside elbow to the face is bush league hockey. Let alone the crosschecks when he was down.

Remember how PO'ed CP was when Hatcher blindsided Lombardi with an elbow to the face?

C'mon guys, lets be better fans than applauding garbage like this

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Pizza

Remember how PO's CP was when Hatcher blindsided Lombardi with an elbow to the face?

C'mon guys, lets be better fans than applauding garbage like this

Who's applauding that particular play? It was a cheap shot.

But his game as a whole was physical and nasty. That's what people are excited about.

Most people are capable of understanding the context that he's an 18 year old kid who was likely buzzing on adrenaline during his first few shifts.

[sun]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Again, you're judging an 18 year old kid in his first game in a NHL uniform.

You don't have to praise the act, but the way he played as a whole showed something the Flames sorely lack.

The fact you're spinning the single incident and trying to infer he's a cheap-shot artist is a huge stretch, and as I said, a load of crap.

Again, you're completely missing the context and grossly over-dramatizing one play.

Of course I'm judging him. Are you not? I admitted this was the first time I've seen him play and I said I didn't like his antics. There were three incidents actually, plus getting kicked out of the penalty box.

Your blabbing of "context" is nonsensical. There will be many countless games in which he will be "revved up" playing for the Flames. Hopefully he'll direct his energy more wisely in the future.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by sun

So what? He can hate him all he wants. Let the goal horn do the talking or take a number and hit him when he has the puck.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/04/0...-gets-physical

All I'm saying is Lemieux is the kind of guy who's going to bring out this kind of reaction. If you want to do it, do it now when it doesn't matter.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by sun

Of course I'm judging him. Are you not? I admitted this was the first time I've seen him play and I said I didn't like his antics. There were three incidents actually, plus getting kicked out of the penalty box.

Your blabbing of "context" is nonsensical. There will be many countless games in which he will be "revved up" playing for the Flames. Hopefully he'll direct his energy more wisely in the future.

As specific to the play with the elbow? Sure.

But as a whole, that is exactly the way we need him to play.

Context is always important, and taking the exuberance of his trying to make a first impression and extrapolating it to concerns about him being a cheapshot artist throughout his career is beyond weak.

[corporatejay]

This forum is always up in arms about Corey Perry too but would give their left eye for a guy like that. Everyone's a dick until he's on your team. Except Marchment. EFF THAT GUY.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Pizza

C'mon guys, lets be better fans than applauding garbage like this

Who's applauding the particular incident with Lemieux from one of the first shifts of the game?

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Who's applauding that particular play? It was a cheap shot.

But his game as a whole was physical and nasty. That's what people are excited about.

Most people are capable of understanding the context that he's an 18 year old kid who was likely buzzing on adrenaline during his first few shifts.

robaur was, which is why i was quoted him as he described the play as a positive thing and was glad Tkachuk was capable of it

if you don't, good.

My point is, there's ways to get physical and nasty without initiating it with a cheapshot like the elbow and crosschecks to a downed guy

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Pizza

robaur was, which is why i was quoted him as he described the play as a positive thing and was glad Tkachuk was capable of it

if you don't, good.

My point is, there's ways to get physical and nasty without initiating it with a cheapshot like the elbow and crosschecks to a downed guy

I think it was the "come on guys" that got me...

It really sounds as though you're talking about everyone who applauded his physical play as being in favour of that elbowing incident when that doesn't seem to be the case at all.

He certainly crossed the line on that play, but playing with edge as a whole seems to be what everyone was most impressed with, and for good reason.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by zyzz

This forum would be screaming like pigs getting slaughtered if the shoe was on the other foot

I'm sorry, but I don't see the point in trying to remain neutral and unbiased when cheering on team sports. Is it to maintain some sort of intellectual superiority? If that's what makes you happy go for it, but I like to cheer for my team's players and boo the other teams'. As a fan I don't have to be neutral about it.

[heep223]

The Flames desperately need a guy who plays on the edge who can also play the game. If Tkachuk crosses the line sometimes I have zero problems with it. The team has veteran leadership to show him the ropes. I was happy to see the passion tbh.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Who's applauding the particular incident with Lemieux from one of the first shifts of the game?

and what exactly happened in that "particular incident"?

i just re watched the first period up until that Tkachuk elbow and all I saw was Lemieux chirping at one of the Flames players because he didnt like a particular hit

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Pizza

and what exactly happened in that "particular incident"?

i just re watched the first period up until that Tkachuk elbow and all I saw was Lemieux chirping at one of the Flames players because he didnt like a particular hit

Someone mentioned earlier it most likely stemmed from their history together. Not excusing it at all (I didn't like the play) but Lemieux is a rat.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I think it was the "come on guys" that got me...

It really sounds as though you're talking about everyone who applauded his physical play as being in favour of that elbowing incident when that doesn't seem to be the case at all.

you can't be serious...

this was all posted earlier in this thread when Tkachuk elbowed Lemieux

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Tkachuk just levelled that guy. Didn't see why ? Haha

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Good, Brendan Lemieux is a POS

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Like father like son, love it.

Originally Posted by Dion

Good to see Tkachuk scrapping and fighting.

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Worth it.

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

lol Tkachuk.

Originally Posted by badradio

I like it.

Originally Posted by Kaine

Hahaha fantastic.

Originally Posted by Cole436

Awesome

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Someone mentioned earlier it most likely stemmed from their history together. Not excusing it at all (I didn't like the play) but Lemieux is a rat.

that's not from "one of Lemieux's first shifts".
nice try, Lemieux initiating something in his first shifts never happened in this game.

Please stop making stuff up to support your arguments