[Trade] Markus Granlund to Van for Shinkaruk

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Shinkaruk's most recent goal:

https://streamable.com/5n3h

Bar down! Could get used to seeing those.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Compete level is how hard you work on the ice. How determined you are to get to loose pucks, how determined you are to win board battles, how determined you are to get to the front of the net, how fast you skate back on defense, how hard you work on your shift, how willing you are to sacrifice your body to make a play or prevent a scoring chance. It also ties in with how consistent you are shift to shift. Players with high compete levels don't take many shifts off, they are more consistent in their effort level than lazier players.

It can't be measured. You have to watch players to get an idea of their compete level. Which is why you can't scout based on pure stats because stuff like compete level is lost. It's an "intangible" but a highly important one.

For example Sam Bennett and Paul Byron have high compete levels. A guy like Baerstchi had a lower compete level. Colborne and Raymond have lacked compete level at times this year. Bob Hartley demands high levels of compete. Pretty sure the Flames scouts also look for competitiveness as a key attribute.

Still sounds like buzzword bull####. Working hard on a shift should matter but results of that should be quantifiable. Hits, takeaways, blocks, etc.

How can you tell if someone is working hard? Do you care if someone works hard but is ineffective vs someone who is effective but looks more relaxed?

Does Jonny have a high compete level? Most of what he does looks effortless.

Mason Raymond doesn't lack compete, he lacks finish and he's ineffective and just isn't a very good hockey player anymore.

[1991 Canadian]

Canucks general manager Jim Benning admitted that when trying to move Shinkaruk, and that’s been going on for some time, he was initially chasing defencemen.

Haha. I love this tidbit in this article. Instead of getting a defenceman, an organizational need, he gets a centre, because why not. Centre is arguably the only position the Canucks have good depth at. Sedin, Sutter, Horvat, McCann. It's not a bad centre corps.

I like Granlund but I'm not sure I see top 6 upside in him anymore. He's good defensively and on the PK, has some offensive flash. But he's absolutely abysmal on faceoffs, gets pushed off the puck too easily.

I don't understand this deal at all from the Canucks perspective. I actually think the player valuation isn't that far off, I just don't understand why the Canucks want another centre.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

Haha. I love this tidbit in this article. Instead of getting a defenceman, an organizational need, he gets a centre, because why not. Centre is arguably the only position the Canucks have good depth at. Sedin, Sutter, Horvat, McCann. It's not a bad centre corps.

I like Granlund but I'm not sure I see top 6 upside in him anymore. He's good defensively and on the PK, has some offensive flash. But he's absolutely abysmal on faceoffs, gets pushed off the puck too easily.

I don't understand this deal at all from the Canucks perspective. I actually think the player valuation isn't that far off, I just don't understand why the Canucks want another centre.

Unless one of these names is trade fodder as well!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Still sounds like buzzword bull####. Working hard on a shift should matter but results of that should be quantifiable. Hits, takeaways, blocks, etc.

How can you tell if someone is working hard? Do you care if someone works hard but is ineffective vs someone who is effective but looks more relaxed?

How you can tell if someone is working hard? You watch them.
Jooris probably has one of the highest compete levels on the Flames but doesn't always accomplish much with it. He's one of the fastest Flames in on the forechceck, finishes his checks, competes hard and fast. Some people don't like Jooris. Personally I do. I'd rather have someone who competes hard like Jooris and doesn't score much vs a lazy skilled player who only shows up for 1/4 of their shifts.

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Does Jonny have a high compete level? Most of what he does looks effortless.

Does Johnny skate hard for pucks? Does Johnny compete along the boards for pucks despite his size? Does Johnny back check hard? Yes, yes, yes. Doesn't matter if his skating is effortless, he's working his butt off most games.

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Mason Raymond doesn't lack compete, he lacks finish and he's ineffective and just isn't a very good hockey player anymore.

Part of why he isn't a very good hockey player anymore is because he sucks at competing for pucks along the boards. Sure he's not the biggest guy but Johnny wins 10 times more puck battles than Raymond.

There's different areas of the ice where you compete for pucks. Along the boards and in front of the net are two common areas that soft players will shy away from. Raymond is a soft player who doesn't compete hard and physically to win puck battles. Sure, he skates hard sometimes but he isn't competing for pucks along the boards like Johnny or Bennett do.

How on earth does this sound like buzzword BS? What's the word you use to describe compete level or is this a completely foreign concept to you?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Unless one of these names is trade fodder as well!

Doubt it. Sedins aren't going anywhere yet. Horvat and McCann are their supposed future. Sutter just signed an extension.

Canucks are going to be bad for a loong time.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Shinkaruk's scouting report from Redline in his draft year:

"12. Hunter Shinkaruk - LW
Produced in double coverage against top defencemen every night by making quicker decisions. Dynamic if given even a sliver of space. Comes out of corners and lasers home bullets before goalies or defencemen can get set. Powerful skater with a separation gear - balance continues to improve with increasing leg strength. Stickhandles with the puck on a string and is a better skater when he has the puck. Outstanding ability to get shots off in full flight handcuffs goalies. Compete level in contested areas is a positive. Uses teammates effectively on the PP. Medicine Hat plays on one of the smallest ice surfaces in the CHL, so it’s ludicrous how often he finds open ice, suggesting a great hockey IQ. Teams have tried running him all season, but despite lack of optimal size, he’s a well-balanced skater who is impossible to knock down.

Projection: Legitimate first line scoring winger.
Style compares to: Jason Pominville"

They had Poirier at #21, Kimchuk at #27 and Monahan at #6

[Matty81]

Have to like the trade... no way Granlund was passing Backlund, Bennett or Monahan, and with Jankowski coming (not to mention Hamilton, Shore, Grant), it was a great move to get a controllable asset of this quality with him being waiver eligible next year. Not to mention it is a no lose... Granlund will never be a top 6 centre with Sedin and Horvat there, so the likelihood of him ever making the trade look terrible is low. Even if he did get a top 6 spot, I don't see more than 30-40 points as his absolute best case scenario. Shinkaruk is a bit of a longer shot but I think his potential upside is way higher.

What I am really curious about is who of the LWs in Stockton can effectively play RW other than Poirier. It seems likely that Hudler and Jones are on the way out and there will be opportunity for guys who can play the right side. I've seen mention of Shinkaruk playing his off wing. Wonder how he looks there and if Agostino can do it as well?

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Doubt it. Sedins aren't going anywhere yet. Horvat and McCann are their supposed future.

Horvat is a Gillis pick. Weisbr-er-Benning's been looking to ship them out asap.

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Sutter just signed an extension.

With a retroactive NTC. Before he's played a game in Van. But then, being on LTIR is its own NTC.

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Canucks are going to be bad for a loong time.

Weis-ummm-Benning's firing date plus 10 years, I'm guessing.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Gaudreau - Monahan - 2016 1st (Laine/Pulj/Tkachuk)
Bouma - Backlund - Frolik
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Perron
Ferland - Stajan - Agostino

Just a little hoping. Haha

[chubeyr1]

I think this was a good trade! Addressing team needs. I think Shinkaruk will be a bust and wont work out. Never the less a trade you make!

A trade from an area of strength with the team with the hope it pans out. We didn't give up a lot. Vancouver fans are pissed!

Honestly I don't think Shinkaruk will play more than 50 games.

Never the the less the outrage by Vancouver fans is hilarious! We need to trade for Yakupov too.

[The Yen Man]

Welp, Penticton will be interesting this year lol. I'll have to go from booing him to cheering for him ha ha. We love you now Hunter!

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Watch this trade set up Horvat for Drouin

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Sounds like Shinkaruk just needs to bulk up and work on his overall game. Sounds like he's more of a pure finisher which we lack in the system. Intriguing prospect. Granlund was clearly redundant, we've talked about it numerous times this season.

Nice trade to get the ball rolling. I look forward to many more in the next week

[locsofblu]

Its a meh trade. Both are probably career AHL players with little nhl upside. Time will tell though.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Marchand and Gallagher are also small, tenacious wingers who agitate and put up top six, or even top line offensive numbers.

Time will tell, but maybe Shinkaruk can be that for us.

From what little I've seen of him, he isn't considered a jerk (tenacious winger who agitates) because he plays "an in your face game", he's considered a jerk because he's a "hot dog". Now he's ours and if he can back it up, we win.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Gaudreau - Monahan - 2016 1st (Laine/Pulj/Tkachuk)
Bouma - Backlund - Frolik
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Perron
Ferland - Stajan - Agostino

Just a little hoping. Haha

Bouma on the second line is terrible, and that second line doesn't have a lot of offensive upside.

And zero interest in David Perron.

His game has completely gone away.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe Benning just got the wrong guy?

Sorry but third attempt wins the original fata photo prize.


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[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

Its a meh trade. Both are probably career AHL players with little nhl upside. Time will tell though.

Came here excited... left depressed.

[t0rrent98]

Sounds like Benning doesn't think Shink can translate his offensive game into the Pro level while he thinks Granlund is already NHL ready even if he isn't as flashy as Shink.