Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

No, I did not say he should be sent to jail for life, you're making an aweful lot of assumptions.

You said he should be tried for treason. What's a possible outcome of that?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

You said he should be tried for treason. What's a possible outcome of that?

Could be found not guilty, could be found guilty. I'd prefer to have the courts render a verdict before a settlement such as that be handed out.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Could be found not guilty, could be found guilty. I'd prefer to have the courts render a verdict before a settlement such as that be handed out.

So apologize and then charge him with treason. Got it.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

So apologize and then charge him with treason. Got it.

You can acknowledge your mistakes while still holding him accountable.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

You can acknowledge your mistakes while still holding him accountable.

Actually most of the time you can't. Like when cops get caught on film beating up a guy in handcuffs, generally the rest of the case is not going to fly. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would go to court with "evidence" obtained while participating in torture.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Actually most of the time you can't. Like when cops get caught on film beating up a guy in handcuffs, generally the rest of the case is not going to fly. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would go to court with "evidence" obtained while participating in torture.

Depends on the severity of the alleged crime, if it would throw the administration of justice into disrepute etc. Mind you, much of that has changed recently with the Jordan decision but I digress.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Could be found not guilty, could be found guilty. I'd prefer to have the courts render a verdict before a settlement such as that be handed out.

It's generally agreed that the degree of charter violations has tainted the evidence so a conviction would be extremely unlikely. Also important to note is that as part of Khadr's plea deal with the prosecution he agree to allow the military commission to destroy all evidence related to his case. I'm not sure if they went ahead and actually destroy that evidence with Khadr's appeal going on, but obviously it's hard to make a criminal case without evidence.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I think that's fair.

What do you think someone who was tortured for 10 years, and denied basic human rights by their government should be compensated? Just released back into society and an apology?

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Well was he tortured by Canada and denied basic human rights by Canada? Could the government have done more? Without a doubt, would it have resulted in a different outcome for him? Probably not, but that's beside the point.

As for a remedy? Great question, house him, provide him counselling for his ordeal, provide him with education credits to pursue the vocation of his choice? I don't know, cutting a cheque for 10.5 million just doesn't seem like an appropriate remedy.

I have zero issue with people that argue the amount is too much...

I get more upset with people trying to conflate other issues with the case that lead to the settlement.

it is my opinion that a settlement with some monetary award would have been paid out as a result of the SCC ruling... but 10 Million? I can see why people are upset with that number - though to be fair, there would have been people just as upset with 2 million as the settlement.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Well was he tortured by Canada and denied basic human rights by Canada? Could the government have done more? Without a doubt, would it have resulted in a different outcome for him? Probably not, but that's beside the point.

As for a remedy? Great question, house him, provide him counselling for his ordeal, provide him with education credits to pursue the vocation of his choice? I don't know, cutting a cheque for 10.5 million just doesn't seem like an appropriate remedy.

Fair enough.

Do you have an issue with David Milgaard receiving $10 million for serving 23 years in prison for a wrongful conviction? Should he have received housing, counselling and education credits but not a cheque?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Well was he tortured by Canada and denied basic human rights by Canada? Could the government have done more? Without a doubt, would it have resulted in a different outcome for him? Probably not, but that's beside the point.

As for a remedy? Great question, house him, provide him counselling for his ordeal, provide him with education credits to pursue the vocation of his choice? I don't know, cutting a cheque for 10.5 million just doesn't seem like an appropriate remedy.

For better or worse, this is how our legal system compensates people for all sorts of injuries or damage: cash money. It's clumsy but until we can travel back in time to right past wrongs, it's probably the best that we have.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Fair enough.

Do you have an issue with David Milgaard receiving $10 million for serving 23 years in prison for a wrongful conviction? Should he have received housing, counselling and education credits but not a cheque?

Milgaard, Arar etc are blatant miscarriages of justice. They did absolutely nothing wrong and deserve their compensation in my opinion.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

You can acknowledge your mistakes while still holding him accountable.

I can appreciate you feeling so passionately about this, but why is it you're only bringing it up on this forum aftee he received his settlement?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Milgaard, Arar etc are blatant miscarriages of justice. They did absolutely nothing wrong and deserve their compensation in my opinion.

No one ever deserves to have their human rights violated.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Milgaard, Arar etc are blatant miscarriages of justice. They did absolutely nothing wrong and deserve their compensation in my opinion.

Just so I understand, in your opinion, not having a fair trial and torture are not blatant miscarriages of justice?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Just so I understand, in your opinion, not having a fair trial and torture are not blatant miscarriages of justice?

in my opinion Khadr is not a clear cut victim like milgaard and arar were. Yes torture is reprehensible and a miscarriage of justice.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I can appreciate you feeling so passionately about this, but why is it you're only bringing it up on this forum aftee he received his settlement?

I guess to be honest it was out of sight out of mind once he was repatriated. Which again I had no issue with. The news of his settlement obviously brought him back into the public spotlight

[V]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Just so I understand, in your opinion, not having a fair trial and torture are not blatant miscarriages of justice?

You're really blurring Canadian and American actions.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Fair enough.

Do you have an issue with David Milgaard receiving $10 million for serving 23 years in prison for a wrongful conviction? Should he have received housing, counselling and education credits but not a cheque?

I must have missed when Milgaard went abroad as a terrorist and killed someone

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I think that's fair.

What do you think someone who was tortured for 10 years, and denied basic human rights by their government should be compensated? Just released back into society and an apology?

Again, he wasn't tortured for 10 year straight, and he prolonged his own stay there.

[Calgary14]

Majority of Canadians oppose Khadr settlement: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gren...poll-1.4198306