[Trade] E.Kane, Bogosian, Kasdorf to Buffalo for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and 1st

[Calgary4LIfe]

Tough trade to really gauge a winner or a loser. I am calling Winnipeg a winner here today because they got lots of value for Kane, especially considering that fiasco last week.

Let's face it - both teams are 'gambling' somewhat as they are either hoping that certain prospects come close to meeting their expectations, or that established players rebound to what they have proven in the past (and are all young, which is kind of a strange predicament when you think about it). Either side can come away as a huge winner, but I would put my money on the Jets coming out of this ahead. I just think the Jets came out like bandits after the Kane fiasco looked like it greatly reduced Kane's trade value.

Kasdorf was essentially lost in Winnipeg's system behind at least 3 VERY good young goalies. If there is a team in the NHL that has a strong goalie system, it is the Jets. Flames are very strong organizationally as well, but the Jets may be a step ahead. No way was Kasdorf going to supplant Hutchinson, Hallebuyck or even Comrie. You never know as goalies are difficult to predict, but those are 3 very highly regarded goalies (and Hutchinson has been very good in the NHL thus far).

Armia seems to be poorly regarded here. I think he is a terrific prospect, but someone you need to show patience in. By all accounts, he has taken great strides this past year. His ceiling was a potential 30 goal scorer (even 40 was not a laughable projection, though it was probably a maximum ceiling if everything goes extremely well). He alone may end up replacing Kane's production. He won't replace Kane's intangibles (namely the grit Kane had, or the blazing speed), but he is a very good prospect.

Stafford also seems to be disregarded completely. He does have value. He is a solid depth scorer. He never lived up to his hype, but he is definitely a decent depth scorer, and one that the Jets now have a month to evaluate and negotiate with, and/or shop him around until the deadline. He may very well return a 3rd round pick - even a 2nd round pick if the deadline proves to be a seller's market.

Interesting that Lemieux was not going to sign with Buffalo. You always have to wonder about a kid's attitude when he decides to do this, but I don't know why things fell apart between him and the organization. I don't share Button's optimistic view of Lemieux, but I do think he is going to be a very good 3rd liner that teams do in fact covet (unless he turns into a rat or a player that continually takes those selfish penalties). He looks to be the type of player that 29 other teams can't stand playing against, and there is definite value there.

Myers - I don't think it is a popular opinion, but I do think that Myers is a good defencemen. Watching some Sabres games and reading what fans have to say, and it seems that Myers is trending up again. I think having a strong mentor in Big Buf will help turn his game around again, as having a strong supporting cast. Myers was looking great until the team decided they were contenders and loaded up on D, and then quickly disintegrated.

Bogosian - on the other hand - is a guy who has had that mentor-ship, but just hasn't improved. In fact, it seems he is regressing. I do, however, think that it is rather amazing that in the same trade that Buffalo makes in getting rid of Myers, they bring in another big, skilled defencemen in Bogosian. As a Flames' fan, I would have loved to have either, but I am betting Myers will end up becoming a much better defencemen.

The first Buffalo included in this deal seems to me more like over-kill. I think it pushes the value towards Winnipeg today. The crux of this deal is really about Kane. If Kane becomes that player that he was touted as being in his rookie year - the next Iginla - then Buffalo wins this deal in a landslide. I just have my doubts, and I would gamble on Winnipeg turning Myers around first, especially considering that Kane is going to a very young team. Good thing that they have Nolan as a coach, but I think even Kane knows that if it comes down to it, Buffalo just tied their stock to Kane over Nolan. There is a lot of potential going towards Winnipeg, and more help for them today which serves an important purpose for them in trying to hold onto a playoff spot.

I am surprised that Winnipeg didn't get a center, as by far their best prospect not on the team is Petan (whom I like, but the depth isn't great). At least they addressed the RW depth, which looked as barren - or even more so - than the Calgary's.

Winnipeg wins today - and there is a very good chance that Winnipeg wins tomorrow as well.

[remember2004]

I read somewhere that Jets wanted something around Bennett for Kane haha

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Winnipeg is very arguably the best drafting team in the league. At least over the last few drafts.

How can you judge the last few drafts when 90% of the players haven't even made the NHL yet?

Are people actually calling the Jets the best drafting team based on guys like Petan and Morrissey?

What a stupid sentiment.

[Jables16]

Originally Posted by Red John

How can you judge the last few drafts when 90% of the players haven't even made the NHL yet?

Are people actually calling the Jets the best drafting team based on guys like Petan and Morrissey?

What a stupid sentiment.

A little excessive considering he said "very arguably". I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that Winnipeg has drafted very well. Guys already contributing in the NHL like Scheifele, Trouba, Lowry and a high number of guys playing in the WJC who were major contributors on their teams. Ehlers, Petan, Morrissey, Comrie. Then you add in a couple solid prospects like Armia and Lemieux they have positioned themselves very well. They've been painfully patient but it seem like that's starting to pay off.

[Calgary14]

Buffalo got fleeced. But on the bright side it looks like they'll get Connor McDavid now for sure

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Locke

Curse you! I was about to ask the exact same thing!

Probably Bieksa, Cole Cassels and Will Acton.

someone said on the radio today it was rumored to be around Gaunce, Jensen, one of are many 3rd liners and + (and the plus wasnt a 1st)

can't really see that being anything other than fishing to see if Chevy who had never made a player deal ever might make a bad one

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I'm a big fan of Bogosian, too bad the Flames couldn't have pried him out of there.

Looks like a fairly even trade IMO, certainly not a landslide win for the Jets.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Winnipeg is very arguably the best drafting team in the league. At least over the last few drafts.

It was only a few months ago people were singing a much different tune...

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Therein lies the rub. The Jets are going nowhere under their current philosophy. Of course that might change with new management, but as it stands, Winnipeg is only two steps ahead of Edmonton on the same treadmill.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets are gonna be an average at best team until the end of time like they have been in the past

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Calgary14

Buffalo got fleeced. But on the bright side it looks like they'll get Connor McDavid now for sure

One in five chance at best. Hopefully their rebuild goes as well as Edmonton's scorched earth strategy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Red John

How can you judge the last few drafts when 90% of the players haven't even made the NHL yet?

Are people actually calling the Jets the best drafting team based on guys like Petan and Morrissey?

What a stupid sentiment.

I also believe the Jets have drafted as well or better than anyone over the past half decade or so.

[White Out 403]

wrong thread but ill edit it anyway and sya that the only place i cant criticize chevy is drafting. jets have had great scouting and some great prospects. ehlers looks like a star in the making. very exciting player.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

One in five chance at best. Hopefully their rebuild goes as well as Edmonton's scorched earth strategy.

It's not only the best shot at McDavid, but the 100% shot at him or Eichel that's important.

[AcGold]

I'm glad the Flames had no part in this.

[FlamesAddiction]

A poll might be interesting to see what the numbers are for people favouring a side or finding the deal fair.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

wrong thread but ill edit it anyway and sya that the only place i cant criticize chevy is drafting. jets have had great scouting and some great prospects. ehlers looks like a star in the making. very exciting player.

To be fair, most people would have picked Elhers there and the only reason he had a high enough pick to get him was because the team he was hired to manage produced poor results. It's like the people who want to give credit to Feaster for drafting Monahan.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

To be fair, most people would have picked Elhers there and the only reason he had a high enough pick to get him was because the team he was hired to manage produced poor results. It's like the people who want to give credit to Feaster for drafting Monahan.

Why not praise people for picking where they should? Jank where he was drafted looks a little silly now. Scheif, a reach, also looks a little... not silly, but not the best of ideas.

Ehlers would likely go higher if that draft was redone ... same with Trouba.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I also believe the Jets have drafted as well or better than anyone over the past half decade or so.

But the past half decade are the exact years you can't judge yet.

There's a reason those "revisiting the ___ draft" articles don't pop up for about five years usually. You just can't definitively judge them before that length of time.

Even the NHL GMs were just recently polled on how they'd re-do the 2010 draft...just a couple months ago. After 4 and a half years.

Even 5 years out you're judging every single player at 23 years old. Are people really going to sit here and say that every player is done developing at 23 even? Much less 19-year olds like Morrissey and Petan.

Sure, a guy like Ehlers looks like a nice pick. But so did Sven Baertschi the year after he got picked. Does that pick look nearly as good now?

Calling the Jets the best drafting team the past 5 years is as stupid as calling the Oilers the best drafting team in 2007 when they were getting guys like Gagner, Plante and Nash. People were doing that too.

Don't make the same mistake.

NO ONE is the league's best drafting team the past 5 years, because that hasn't been determined yet.

[Anduril]

A possible reason for the slight overpayment by Buffalo with something like a 1st being included is convincing Winnipeg to get the deal done sooner than later. No doubt the Jets would have had more offers available and drive up an auction in the off-season but Buffalo recognized their surplus in prospects and picks and took advantage of what could be a very beneficial gamble.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Why not praise people for picking where they should? Jank where he was drafted looks a little silly now. Scheif, a reach, also looks a little... not silly, but not the best of ideas.

Ehlers would likely go higher if that draft was redone ... same with Trouba.

There was a lot of hype about Ehlers going into the draft and justifiably so, he looks like he's going to be a beauty. There was lots of talk he might even might go top 5 heading into the draft, and really, his size was probably the only thing that kept him from being picked ahead of Dal Colle. I thought the jets were extremely fortunate to have Ehlers fall to 9, I think Vancouver, Carolina and Toronto (less so Toronto) will live to rue the day they passed on him. Personally I was hoping the Ward rumors were right so the flames would pick him up. I was hoping for (assuming Ekblad was gone) Bennett, Reinhart or Ehlers for Calgary at the time. So it's hard for me to give Chevy props when it looks like he lucked out big time. It was a no brainer, just like Calgary picking Monahan. No need to praise him, it was just good fortune.

As for Trouba, yes props there, definitely. I would pick him over Yakupov (ouch Edmonton), Reinhart and Dumba. I am jealous as a flames fan, wish we had him. Guess I'll have to settle on Brodie and Giordano He would be amazing as Calgary's #3, and he obviously has higher potential than that.

Scheifele looks ok, I would rather Hamilton, Couturier or Brodin, but he still looks good, I think he'll be at least a very good 3rd Line Center. Again, picking so high, the jets were going to end up with a good player.

Petan looks great too, honestly wish we had him instead of Klimchuk, but I don't mind Morgan either. Who knows if either will put it together. Petan probably has more boom/bust potential and Klimchuk will likely end up being a serviceable bottom 6 player if anything (nothing wrong with that).

So Chevy has a good draft record so far, for sure. He also always picks top 10 or close to (until this year probably). Players like Petan and Lowry stand out as picks I might want to credit the scouts with more than him but whatever. Both Calgary and Winnipeg have had a few good drafts recently, hope the two teams make the playoffs, and even meet each other. Would love another strong rivalry with a Canadian team. Truth be told Winnipeg is probably tied with Ottawa as my second favorite Canadian team. It is worth mentioning that I loathe the other four however.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

McCann must be sad. He could've been traded.

It is what it is...