Annual Trade Iggy thread

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by jg13

Do people really believe that Iginla will sign a new contract here by the deadline? The way things are going with the team I don't think there's a chance unless Iginla truly doesn't care about winning and wants to stay in this city with his family.

I dont think Iggy will re-sign, but i doubt ownership has changed their stance on wanting to re-sign Iggy to a life time contract.

Flames really need Iggy to go to ownership and say he is going to leave. If he doesn't, i am not convinced that ownership would ask him to leave. My bet would be they would let him go to UFA and probably try to out bid for his services. Iggy wants to win , but you can never underestimate the old mighty dollar.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

We haven't seen it in (save for about 1-1.5 seasons under Darryl) Calgary, Babcock didn't see it from him in the Olympics..

really?

I'm not talking about being a 4th line checking player, I'm talking about being a complimentary scoring player. Which is pretty much exactly what he was under Babcock in the Olympics.

Unless you think he was the go-to guy there?

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by jg13

Do people really believe that Iginla will sign a new contract here by the deadline? The way things are going with the team I don't think there's a chance unless Iginla truly doesn't care about winning and wants to stay in this city with his family.

This is certainly the #1 reason, living in this city with his family/kids in school, doesn't want to disrupt the family life. If he REALLY wants to go to a contender and win and his family is truly behind him then he'll go for it.

But if family "stability" and staying in Calgary is more important and perhaps he's delusional thinking he'll win here anytime soon then he'll likely stay.

It all boils down to what Iggy wants.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What the hell?

Why do you continue to change the past?

It's true. Iginla did not play a strong two-way game at the Olympics. Until the golden goal, the Crosby-Iginla-Whoever line did not play well, and had been pushed down the depth chart by the Toews and Getzlaf lines.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

really?

I'm not talking about being a 4th line checking player, I'm talking about being a complimentary scoring player. Which is pretty much exactly what he was under Babcock in the Olympics.

Unless you think he was the go-to guy there?

Yeah, what I'm saying is, his value is decreased significantly if you know you're trading for Jarome "Not playing hard enough on my defensive assignments" Iginla vs. Jarome "I am going to skate so hard tonight my legs will fall off" Iginla.

I know Iginla is a touchy subject, and it's goes against the popular narrative of Iginla being a cross between Brian Trottier and Mike Bossy, but if I am hitchcock and I see how Iginla played my team, I am not particularly interested in bringing him into the locker room when there are other guys available who may being near the same qualities without the detrimental ones.

I don't think it's unfathomable or absurd to believe that a player has more value if they are a 50 point player with a good two-way game than if they are a perennial negative and pot 60 points.

Third most sheltered minutes on the team, man. I'd have serious questions about that if I was considering trading for him.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Iggy will get a better return than that. He will get a 1st round pick and a prospect or a young 2nd line player and a later pick.

If he is playing like he is now, a young second liner is a strech. First rounder for sure, but a middle to late one.

I don´t care whatever leadeship charasteristics or past achievements he has to show, but if he walks in at the trade deadline with 5 goals scored I just don´t see any significant (game changing) return coming back. He has almost zero future upside and a team that would pick him up would expect an immediate impact.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah, but there is no guarantee he can actually play that way.

We haven't seen it in (save for about 1-1.5 seasons under Darryl) Calgary, Babcock didn't see it from him in the Olympics.

Frankly, CliffFletcher is raising a really valuable point.

For teams where cohesive team play might be the only advantage they have over a competing team, is it worth it to add a guy who may detract from that? I don't know, but it likely lowers the value you're willing to shell out.

Iggy has shown in spurts that he can play that team game. He did it here in 03/04 and 05/06. He did for the most part in the Olympics, and has stretches in Calgary for 5/10 games where he plays that way.

Biggest issue with Iggy is that when the goals dry up his all around game also falls off the map. He actually started this year playing pretty hard and backchecking, he then wasn't scoring and thats when he starts to cheat.

He just needs to go to a team where the rest of the team plays a team game around him led by a leader that plays the same way (Crosby, Toews, etc). Opposed to Calgary where the team follows him and plays the perimeter, individualistic style he plays.

[dissentowner]

Every year Iginla gets off to a slow start and CP explodes. He will get going but management needs to know what he is doing at least a month ahead of the trade deadline. You can't let him go to UFA and get nothing for him.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah, but there is no guarantee he can actually play that way.

We haven't seen it in (save for about 1-1.5 seasons under Darryl) Calgary, Babcock didn't see it from him in the Olympics.

Frankly, CliffFletcher is raising a really valuable point.

For teams where cohesive team play might be the only advantage they have over a competing team, is it worth it to add a guy who may detract from that? I don't know, but it likely lowers the value you're willing to shell out.

that was Babcock being stubborn. Iginla ended up scoring more goals than any other Canadian in spite of Babcock messing around with Iginla. Nash was the problem and once Babcock figured it out Iginla was never the problem in 2010.

If Iginla doesn't out work the USA in the corner and make the pass to Crosby. Babcock is the one that would be wearing egg on his face. Along with Luongo would have been wearing the goat horns for caving in the 3rd.
Iginla saved Babcocks bacon and turned around 3 of those games with key goals even before the final.

[Vinny01]

The Ultimate thing that can happen this year is we trade Iggy for a very solid return (1st+prospect) and he goes on to win the cup and comes back in the summer to a nice retirement contract (same deal Tanguay currently has). On top of that he has a new mindset after seeing what it takes to win in today's NHL and he plays a slightly different game and focuses on different things than having to be the go to offensive weapon. Doubt it happens but it would be nice

At the end of the day the time to trade Iggy was always late 2010/early 2011. The team just failed to make the playoffs and was trending towards beinga bottom feeder which resulted in Sutter being let go. The rumors around that time were Schenn + Simmonds + for Iggy. That deal would have set the Flames up quite nicely for the future however there is no way we get a return like that today. On top of that I think the chances that Iggy comes back this summer after 2.5 seasons in LA would be pretty high. In my opinion that was the perfect time for the player and organization to part ways.

[Erick Estrada]

Iginla isn't the issue. The issue is Flames owership and management failing to build a proper supporting cast. I don't believe Brett Hull, Mike Modano, Jeremy Roenick, Keith Tkachuk, Jaromir Jagr, Steve Yzerman, etc were expected to carry teams over 35 but that's exactly what the Flames and Flames fans have expected. When you look at Tkachuk, Modano, and Roenick in particular their games really declined fast over 35 and you can see Iginla's has as well. He's a complimentary veteran player that should be playing on a contending team that's looking for some clutch goals and leadership in the playoffs. What's that worth in a trade? Not sure but I don't think his trade value is anywhere near what most Flames fans think as I'm sure scouts can see the decline in play just as we have.

I just hope Jarome realizes that it's time to leave. The worst thing possible for the Flames and Iginla would be to continue this plight of futility. He needs to realize that it's time for him to step aside and let the Flames rebuild. He also needs to realize that he needs to go to a better situation for himself and right now Calgary is the worst situation of the 30 teams because fans still expect him to be the Iginla of his prime and sticking around means he's going to go out like Ryan Smyth in Edmonton which just isn't desirable for anyone. If he declines to the point he can't play in Pittsburgh as least we will only see that from afar. I just don't want to hear Flames fans calling him a bum and calling for him to be in the pressbox because if he stays those days are coming and soon.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

that was Babcock being stubborn. Iginla ended up scoring more goals than any other Canadian in spite of Babcock messing around with Iginla. Nash was the problem and once Babcock figured it out Iginla was never the problem in 2010.

If Iginla doesn't out work the USA in the corner and make the pass to Crosby. Babcock is the one that would be wearing egg on his face. Along with Luongo would have been wearing the goat horns for caving in the 3rd.
Iginla saved Babcocks bacon and turned around 3 of those games with key goals even before the final.

I do remember being kind of annoyed with how Iginla was handled during the olympics. But in Babcocks defence, I think he was taking a hard line with how he wanted Iginla to play.

It has been documented before that Iginla is tough to play with because for the type of player he is, he likes to have the puck on his stick a lot. Now in the twilight of his career, the play usually dies on his stick more often than not. When you play with the likes of Crosby, you just get to scoring positions. You don't spin and turn along the boards util someone takes the puck from you.

Most of Iginla's goals came from being in prime scoring positions and letting his shot go. His big assist came from an abbreviated cycle where every player kept their feet moving and every player moved the puck rather than holding on to it.

I with the current version of Iginla would adjust his game to his strengths.

[Teroy]

[QUOTE=Vinny01;4084123]The Ultimate thing that can happen this year is we trade Iggy for a very solid return (1st+prospect) and he goes on to win the cup and comes back in the summer to a nice retirement contract (same deal Tanguay currently has).QUOTE]

You're letting sentiment get in the way of logic. Why would you want him back? Do you actually think he'll contribute anything? Use the money you're proposing to sign some good young talent who wants to win. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. If you want him back then make him the next Lanny. He'd be a great spokesperson.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Ultimate thing that can happen this year is we trade Iggy for a very solid return (1st+prospect) and he goes on to win the cup and comes back in the summer to a nice retirement contract (same deal Tanguay currently has). On top of that he has a new mindset after seeing what it takes to win in today's NHL and he plays a slightly different game and focuses on different things than having to be the go to offensive weapon. Doubt it happens but it would be nice

At the end of the day the time to trade Iggy was always late 2010/early 2011. The team just failed to make the playoffs and was trending towards beinga bottom feeder which resulted in Sutter being let go. The rumors around that time were Schenn + Simmonds + for Iggy. That deal would have set the Flames up quite nicely for the future however there is no way we get a return like that today. On top of that I think the chances that Iggy comes back this summer after 2.5 seasons in LA would be pretty high. In my opinion that was the perfect time for the player and organization to part ways.

I don't think Iggy coming back this summer would be a good thing. He needs a couple of years away from the team. This team needs to adress some issues, get an identity and find a new captain . Iggy then could come back as a complemintary player, just like the team he was traded to. If he comes back this summer nothing will change , except getting the 1st. He will not have been gone long enough to change any dynamics of the team. Even if they didn't give him the "C", players would still follow Iggy. Also there is no chance that Iggy would not get the "C" if he came back this summer.

[Username: Flames]

I'd really like to see him win a cup, but I'm starting to lean towards the camp that believes trading Iginla won't really garner much in assets. I think the most the flames can get for him now are a first rounder and maybe a mid range prospect. If I was a GM of a contender, that's all I'd be willing to offer.

[Tinordi]

The Ultimate thing that can happen this year is we trade Iggy for a very solid return (1st+prospect) and he goes on to win the cup and comes back in the summer to a nice retirement contract (same deal Tanguay currently has). On top of that he has a new mindset after seeing what it takes to win in today's NHL and he plays a slightly different game and focuses on different things than having to be the go to offensive weapon. Doubt it happens but it would be nice

Shaking head...

Gotta love Flames fans, we're already devising ways to bring back former Flames while they're still a Flame!

This is the next level of our former Flames love.

Jeez Murphy

[Vedder]

I think a lot of teams will be willing to look past Jarome's shortcomings if they think he can still be a clutch goal scorer in the playoffs. With the shortened seson there should be more teams in the mix at the deadline, potentially inflating his value. All we need is a couple desperate GM's.

[Tinordi]

Teams will trade for guys they think can fit into their system and produce. Iginla, his one goal, and his shoddy two-way play doesn't necessarily scream a player that teams will be lining up to trade for.

[Flash Walken]

Iginla's value is ultimately in the eye of the beholder.

We can guess as to what the potential return might be, but there are 3 valuations going on here and for a trade to happen, they'll all have to be in the same ballpark.

Valuation #1 is, what is the expected return to the Calgary Flames for Jarome Iginla. What does the Flames Management and ownership believe he is worth.

Valuation #2 is, What is an opposition GM willing to pay for Iginla? This is not a pure variable. The value of draft picks for teams looking to trade for Iginla is different based on their needs, developed players and prospects in the system. A team with more prospects on the doorstep will value their draft picks less than a team without players on the doorstep. Likewise, teams without players on the doorstep will value their picks more, or, in the case of the Flames, will value the picks less because of their need to acquire these players knocking on the door/contributing (win now).

The third valuation is Iginlas. What is the relative value for my career finishing up in Calgary vs. the relative value of being traded and potentially increasing my value with a solid performance on a solid team? Is it worth it to Iginla to chase success (and with it, a potentially lucrative final contract) vs. keep his family life intact and play out his career on a bottom feeder. Only he knows.

I would be happy with any return for Iginla because it would signify an end to a largely futile era that the team can finally move on from. I'll be sad he's not in a Flames sweater anymore, but I'll still watch him and cheer for him on another, successful team.

[ComixZone]

...I think the GMs around the league are smart enough to look at the fact that Iginla doesn't have an NHL center to play with and realize that has a lot to do with his 1 goal and struggling +/-.