Jacob Markstrom (is better than Cam Talbot)

[Knightslayer]

High danger chances were 9-7 Flames. To say Markstrom had a really easy night is simply not true.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

"Really easy job tonight" he knows exactly what he was doing.

It was the Sabres.

Markstrom SHOULD shut out the Sabres. They ####ing suck.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It was the Sabres.

Markstrom SHOULD shut out the Sabres. They ####ing suck.

No other team has shut them out this year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No other team has shut them out this year.

They’re still the Sabres.

27 SOG in a 5-0 loss.

It’s an easy night. Darryl said as much in his post-game.

Flawless execution.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They’re still the Sabres.

27 SOG in a 5-0 loss.

It’s an easy night. Darryl said as much in his post-game.

Flawless execution.

7 high danger chances to 9 high danger chances. Did you not read that part? Was not an easy night.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They’re still the Sabres.

27 SOG in a 5-0 loss.

It’s an easy night. Darryl said as much in his post-game.

Flawless execution.

Still has to do it. You said he should get a shutout. Then so should every decent team/goalie who plays them. They haven’t.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

7 high danger chances to 9 high danger chances. Did you not read that part? Was not an easy night.

“High danger” has more to do with shot location and context than actual shot placement, and thus actual danger

Nobody has a stat to track the actual quality of shot placement, which is really pretty much all that matters if you’re trying to stop a puck

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

7 high danger chances to 9 high danger chances. Did you not read that part? Was not an easy night.

“High danger” has more to do with shot location and context than actual shot placement, and thus actual danger

Nobody has a stat to track the actual quality of shot placement, which is really pretty much all that matters if you’re trying to stop a puck

How many shots did Markstrom face like Gaudreau or Mang’s goals?

[Jay Random]

It's shot location and context that determine how much open net you have to shoot at. If those aren't good, and the puck isn't deflected, an NHL-class goalie will stop almost every shot.

Quality of shot placement only becomes an issue once location and context are taken care of. That's what defines a high-danger chance.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's shot location and context that determine how much open net you have to shoot at. If those aren't good, and the puck isn't deflected, an NHL-class goalie will stop almost every shot.

Quality of shot placement only becomes an issue once location and context are taken care of. That's what defines a high-danger chance.

Kind of. High danger chances are basically statistical probabilities based on shot origin location and context.

Where the actual individual shots go make them easier or harder to stop

Markstrom had an easy game tonight, based on where Buffalo placed their shots

He was perfect, but was not called on to do anything spectacular or unusually challenging

I may well have gotten a shutout against Buffalo tonight

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I may well have gotten a shutout against Buffalo tonight

I catch a large whiff of BS. How many saves have you made in your life against NHL shooters?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I catch a large whiff of BS. How many saves have you made in your life against NHL shooters?

You know what? Even though that statement was obviously hyperbolic, the truthful answer is actually multiple.

I played a team earlier this month with a retired NHLer who is quite a bit younger than me

[dino7c]

certainly easier than the Pens game but Markstrom was really good still

These types of games aren't easy for goalies

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

certainly easier than the Pens game but Markstrom was really good still

These types of games aren't easy for goalies

Having no work for a while then 3-4 in close chances is tough. It was rapid fire on that flurry in front by BUF in the third. That did not look easy.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Having no work for a while then 3-4 in close chances is tough. It was rapid fire on that flurry in front by BUF in the third. That did not look easy.

Lots of people are impressed by the in close chances but many more goals are scored from 10-20 feet out than 0-10

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Having no work for a while then 3-4 in close chances is tough. It was rapid fire on that flurry in front by BUF in the third. That did not look easy.

Which specific save would you say Markstrom made, that just about every butterfly goaltender the Flames have had since Tre took over (2014-15 Hiller, 2016-17 Johnson, 2018-19 Talbot) would have failed to make?

I think what Deluxe Moustache is saying, hyperbole about his own skills aside, is that tonight's shutout was a great example of the effectiveness of butterfly goaltending when the team in front really just does their job.

The basic principle of the butterfly - "get down and let the shots down low hit the pads, trust the opponent won't elevate the puck", and let the skaters clear rebounds is pretty universally effective when the opponents don't have the time or space to elevate. Jonas Hiller made a career out of it - and even got our team to the second round.

I'm not taking away from Markstrom's shutout here... he faced an xGA of 1.69 and he pitched a shutout. That's always great. But I am genuinely curious which specific save you would say was really good, beyond just being an example of the butterfly style being effective when executed in games where shooters don't have the time and space to shoot high.

[DeluxeMoustache]

It’s not just ‘trust the opponent won’t elevate the puck’, the gloves sit above the pads and forward to mitigate a good chunk of that. Vertical angles matter. Ideally nothing under, nothing through. Basically think that if the puck had eyes, how much of the net does it see?

And let’s be clear, Markstrom was perfect tonight, just not particularly challenged

[djsFlames]

Yeah, i don't think I'm going to rewatch the tape just to pinpoint which specific save was the hardest from someone who's only played the position in rec floor hockey.

That's a lot of typing just to make a wet blanket comment. Was it really worth nit picking? We're allowed to be impressed by the saves these guys are making. Ayers let in a couple from 60' out when he was called in as emergency, and he had experience. It's never easy, or automatic.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

7 high danger chances to 9 high danger chances. Did you not read that part? Was not an easy night.

I read it, I just don’t care.

7 high danger chances = a professional hockey team took the ice and played a game.

High Danger chances from last night alone:

Sabres: 7
Flames: 9

Rangers: 13
Leafs: 8

Penguins: 12
Habs: 6

Devils: 11
Panthers: 16

Lightning: 11
Flyers: 5

Sharks: 12
Blues: 11

Stars: 8
Wild: 6

Jets: 9
Oilers: 7

Jackets: 15
Coyotes: 13

Red Wings: 16
Knights: 16

Hurricanes: 10
Ducks: 13


4 teams generated < 7 High Danger Chances.

17 teams generated > 7 high danger chances.

2 teams had 7 on the nose.

Markstrom was good. He didn’t have much to do, against a bad team.

Stop picking fights.

[ricardodw]

Markstrom and the Flames are dominating the Eastern Conference:

6-1-1 .75 GAA .976 sv % If they can come through the west they should sweep the SCF

How does the schedule get made where the Flames have played 12 games out of the seasons 32 games against Eastern team (9-1-2) and 5 out of 50 against Western teams? (0-2-3)