The second Transformers blew sooo bad, this looks decent, but again its a small clip that really has a minimal part of the complete story itself. Until I see the characters in the movie and what the storyline is really about then I'll judge.
Shria Laboef ruined one of my dear childhood memories (actually two including Indiana Jones). What's next? Justine Bieber as He-Man?
I'm confused, are you under the impression that Sam Witwicky is supposed to be some sort of super hero? Or is he supposed to be some wise-ass nerd kid?Which, honestly, LaBeouf is very very good at. Whether you like him or not.
I was one of the very few who enjoyed the sequel, and subsequently got ripped for it. This teaser was pretty cool, and I'll definitely be checking this one out.
Pet peeve of mine is people sayin "michael bay ruined my favorite childhood cartoon"....what a bunch of crap. You may think the movies are crap, you may really hate them, but it's not like Michael Bay went back in time and ruined the cartoons. The cartoons are still the same no matter what Michael Bay or any other director does 30 years later. If you liked the cartoons in the 80's, exactly how did Revenge of the Fallen ruin your enjoyment of the old cartoons?? It's not ruining the legacy or anything. When people think of Transformers cartoons, they'll think of the cartoons. When YOU think of Transformers, you'll think of the cartoons. The movies didn't ruin some childhood memory. Ugh, I hate that argument, what a bunch of crap.
If that is unicron in the teaser I'm dissapointed. He's supposed to be a devourer of planets. This would be the worst portrayal of a devourer of planets since that awful Fantastic Four movie.
I was one of the very few who enjoyed the sequel, and subsequently got ripped for it. This teaser was pretty cool, and I'll definitely be checking this one out.
No, this forum was just a large sampling of the very few people who were not critics who didn't like it. The fact the film pulled in more than the first one and only less than Dark Knight that year tells you all you need to know about how many people 'hated' that film. You were in the majority, don't let this inferior minority sway you. =D
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Pet peeve of mine is people sayin "michael bay ruined my favorite childhood cartoon"....what a bunch of crap. You may think the movies are crap, you may really hate them, but it's not like Michael Bay went back in time and ruined the cartoons. The cartoons are still the same no matter what Michael Bay or any other director does 30 years later. If you liked the cartoons in the 80's, exactly how did Revenge of the Fallen ruin your enjoyment of the old cartoons?? It's not ruining the legacy or anything. When people think of Transformers cartoons, they'll think of the cartoons. When YOU think of Transformers, you'll think of the cartoons. The movies didn't ruin some childhood memory. Ugh, I hate that argument, what a bunch of crap.
Watching the cartoons ruins most people's childhood. 20 minute toy commercials, terrible plots. The only saving grace is the voice acting for most.
That is not Unicron, likely Silverbolt. He probably assimilates the apollo lander and gets back to Earth that way.
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Dear Sam Rami, this is how you really ruin a franchise.
Transformers: $319,246,193
Revenge of the Fallen: $402,111,870
Total: $721,358,063
I doubt Hasbro minds very much that you think they are 'ruining' a franchise.
The fact is, thanks to the success of these movies it has re-energized the franchise. The success of these movies has given Hasbro reason to get not one but two shows custom made (not done since Beastwars) as opposed to dubbed from an already completed Japanese series.
The popularity of these movies has also allowed for your sacred childhood memories from G1 to start getting more play time then they ever would have if these movies failed. War for Cybertron, the comics from IDW which is now the longest running TF comic since the original run, countless toys, reissues of old comics. If these movies don't succeed, Hasbro probably says they're not profitable and doesn't re-release them.
Michael Bay re-energized this franchise, and none of you're poorly thought out hate of him will change that.
If that is unicron in the teaser I'm dissapointed. He's supposed to be a devourer of planets. This would be the worst portrayal of a devourer of planets since that awful Fantastic Four movie.
Yeah, Unicron is the size of a planet. This robot is inside a spacecraft that crashed/landed on the moon and the ship is not even visible from earth (it is a "40 year secret").
Michael Bay is one of the biggest hacks in Hollywood at the moment. Love the trailer all you want, but all I saw was more "Americanization" flag waving that we are accustom to.
No Michael Bay film is complete without a million explosions, bad acting, mediocre plot devices, bad jokes (hey look everyone, my mom is high! That was so funny in the 90's!), plenty of shots of military vehicles, bad camera work, painful amounts of slow motion, far-away shots galore, and of course t&a. Many of those aren't too bad in moderation, but three hours of it for RotF made me want to drill a hole through my skull (my friends forced me to see it). RotF was like a bad episode of That's 70's Show.
The first one sucked too, it was just shorter, and the plot at least tried to stay on track. I never watched the cartoons (more of a Batman guy myself), but I found GI Joe to be far superior to both Transformers entries (GI Joe wasn't great either).
The Rock is the only Bay directed picture I like (mostly because of Connery), and even that is packed with Bay themed madness (512 helicopter shots).
Bay may be fine for everyone else; but Armageddon, Bad Boys 2, Trasnformers, Transformers RotF, Pearl Harbor, and probably The Island were all awful pieces of film making. Oh, and Bay is also a horrible producer; assisted in ruining both Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elm Street.
Oh, and yes he is a huge success, and will do more in his life that I will ever do. Bay fans love to bring that up. I give the guy some credit there, he knows what Americans love to eat up.
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In other news; Michael Bay still doesn't care that some kid on a hockey message board thinks he's a hack. When questioned on the subject while swimming through a pile of money like Scrooge McDuck, he merely laughed and gave the journalist a $20 that got stuck in the elastic of his speedo.
In other news; Michael Bay still doesn't care that some kid on a hockey message board thinks he's a hack. When questioned on the subject while swimming through a pile of money like Scrooge McDuck, he merely laughed and gave the journalist a $20 that got stuck in the elastic of his speedo.
As I did note Bay's is quite successful. But, success, and money does not always equal talent. Bay can have all the money in the world, but that does not mean his movies are good, or that he is a good director. I am sure he could care less what I think, but of course that also means that no one cares about what you think either. Here is an opinion that many people do consider relevant. Notice how many of my points do coincide with many of Ebert's.
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
/ / / June 23, 2009
by Roger Ebert
"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is a horrible experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing moments. One of these involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. Such are the meager joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination.
The plot is incomprehensible. The dialog of the Autobots®, Decepticons® and Otherbots® is meaningless word flap. Their accents are Brooklyese, British and hip-hop, as befits a race from the distant stars. Their appearance looks like junkyard throw-up. They are dumb as a rock. They share the film with human characters who are much more interesting, and that is very faint praise indeed.
The movie has been signed by Michael Bay. This is the same man who directed "The Rock" in 1996. Now he has made "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen." Faust made a better deal. This isn't a film so much as a toy tie-in. Children holding a Transformer toy in their hand can invest it with wonder and magic, imagining it doing brave deeds and remaining always their friend. I knew a little boy once who lost his blue toy truck at the movies, and cried as if his heart would break. Such a child might regard "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" with fear and dismay.
The human actors are in a witless sitcom part of the time, and lot of the rest of their time is spent running in slo-mo away from explosions, although--hello!--you can't outrun an explosion. They also make speeches like this one by John Turturro: "Oh, no! The machine is buried in the pyramid! If they turn it on, it will destroy the sun! Not on my watch!" The humans, including lots of U.S. troops, shoot at the Transformers a lot, although never in the history of science fiction has an alien been harmed by gunfire.
There are many great-looking babes in the film, who are made up to a flawless perfection and look just like real women, if you are a junior fanboy whose experience of the gender is limited to lad magazines. The two most inexplicable characters are Ron and Judy Witwicky (Kevin Dunn and Julie White), who are the parents of Shia LaBeouf, who Mephistopheles threw in to sweeten the deal. They take their son away to Princeton, apparently a party school, where Judy eats some pot and goes berserk. Later they swoop down out of the sky on Egypt, for reasons the movie doesn't make crystal clear, so they also can run in slo-mo from explosions.
The battle scenes are bewildering. A Bot makes no visual sense anyway, but two or three tangled up together create an incomprehensible confusion. I find it amusing that creatures that can unfold out of a Camaro and stand four stories high do most of their fighting with...fists. Like I say, dumber than a box of staples. They have tiny little heads, although Jetfire® must be made of older models, since he has an aluminum beard.
Aware that this movie opened in England seven hours before Chicago time and the morning papers would be on the streets, after writing the above I looked up the first reviews as a reality check. I was reassured: "Like watching paint dry while getting hit over the head with a frying pan!" (Bradshaw, Guardian); "Sums up everything that is most tedious, crass and despicable about modern Hollywood!" (Tookey, Daily Mail); "A giant, lumbering idiot of a movie!" (Edwards, Daily Mirror). The first American review, Todd Gilchrist of Cinematical, reported that Bay's "ambition runs a mile long and an inch deep," but, in a spirited defense, says "this must be the most movie I have ever experienced." He is bullish on the box office: it "feels destined to be the biggest movie of all time." It’s certainly the biggest something of all time.
Footnote 6/24: Does it strike you as a lapse of Pyramid security that no one notices a gigantic Deceptibot ripping off the top of the Great Pyramid? Not anyone watching on the live PyramidCam? Not even a traffic copter?
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Critics hated it, I came to terms with that a long time ago. I read the Ebert review when it was first published.
The fact is, as far as transformers go and fandom goes, the movies were good and that was all that I wanted. Critics can hate it till they're blue in the face, fans love it. Joe public loves it. Hasbro loves it. They're enjoyable fluff to most people and enjoyable transformers canon for those like me.
Also: Everyone cares what I think, you're not fooling anyone.
^ I would agree with you on almost every note except for Joe Public "loving it". Yes it was a huge hit, and outdid expectations.; but, most fans seem to think the first one was the better entry (7.3 for the first one, 6.0 for the second on IMDB).
I will say that Bay is a better filmmaker than Roland Emmerich, and possibly Joel Shumacher. But, that's not really saying much.
Also forgot, I did like the first Bad Boys. Couldn't even finish the second one...
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^ I would agree with you on almost every note except for Joe Public "loving it". Yes it was a huge hit, and outdid expectations. But, most fans seem to think the first one was the better entry (7.3 for the first one, 6.0 for the second on IMDB). I will say that Bay is a better filmmaker than Roland Emmerich! But, that's not really much of an accomplishment.
That's because as far as movies go, the first was a better movie. As far as Transformers fiction goes the second one was better cause of the forest scene.
