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Old 09-04-2010, 10:00 AM   #21
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AB1call is free as a service.
No really? Clearly you missed the in my post. You honestly believed I thought a free service offered a money back guarentee?

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If you're giving money under the table to some private contractor, and he locates 'wrongly' where a gas line, electrical cable or whatever is, who do you think will pay for the repairs? I'm not sure how that would work with AB1call, but I'd imagine that if they screwed up, and it was pretty obvious, they would pay for damages.

If you're hiring someone under the table to come do something on the weekend, how do you know he's not just pulling your chain to get your money, but actually not even locating the lines properly?

All I'm saying is that there have been a ton of accidents in the past because utilities weren't located properly. It wouldn't be something I'd play around with.

Yes, this is how businesses and all contractors work. Take your money and run without doing any real work.

Sure, under the table is one thing, but many locators are independant contractors, meaning anytime they come out, they're still operating under their own business and billing as such, regardless of hours etc.

Hell, the courts wouldn't have anything to say about it when your neighbourhood explodes because of someone doing a locate job not being from AB1call. There is no such thing as a duty of care unless the locator is from AB1call.

Oh, would you like green text this time?

No idiot is going to be as dumb to operate sans insurance in such a touchy field as this. One missed gas line and you're toast
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:10 AM   #22
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I should also add that digging to a depth of 6" isn't that bad. The prudent thing to do of course is to get a locate, but you may have to do without. The line you might be concerned the most about at those depths is your phone line.

If you're digging more than 30 cm, everything within a 30 meter radius must be located, dug up and exposed.
Normally you'd be right. Everything should be deeper than that. That wasn't the case with the high pressure gas line at 16th and 68th in the NE when they blew through it and stalled the job for over a year. I was talking to the prime consultant for the job and he said the HPG was about 6 inches below grade. Scary stuff.

However, on an acreage it is highly doubtful that you hit anything at 6 inches.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:15 AM   #23
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Normally you'd be right. Everything should be deeper than that. That wasn't the case with the high pressure gas line at 16th and 68th in the NE when they blew through it and stalled the job for over a year. I was talking to the prime consultant for the job and he said the HPG was about 6 inches below grade. Scary stuff.

However, on an acreage it is highly doubtful that you hit anything at 6 inches.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:40 AM   #24
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Question- how much would a "private" locator cost; compared to the cost of renting a bobcat next weekend?

Last time I rented a bobcat it was around $300 per day; so let's say it's $400 or $500 now. I don't think you are going to pay less for somebody who is going to accept responsibility for missing a burried line.

That's the thing with AB1call- if they are wrong then they are to blame.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:58 AM   #25
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Question- how much would a "private" locator cost; compared to the cost of renting a bobcat next weekend?

Last time I rented a bobcat it was around $300 per day; so let's say it's $400 or $500 now. I don't think you are going to pay less for somebody who is going to accept responsibility for missing a burried line.

That's the thing with AB1call- if they are wrong then they are to blame.
Exactly.

They operate according to set guidelines. They mess up, their fault, so they'll pay for damages.

With a private guy that you're paying under the table if he messes up you're screwed.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:51 AM   #26
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^From the OP's standpoint though, getting *someone* out is better than having no one come out at all if he's just going to dig anyway, since I get the impression that he's got this day and this day only where he has the free use of a Bobcat and wants to dig today.

The right thing to do each and every time of course is to not break any ground at all until Alberta 1 Call can come out.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:57 AM   #27
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Normally you'd be right. Everything should be deeper than that. That wasn't the case with the high pressure gas line at 16th and 68th in the NE when they blew through it and stalled the job for over a year. I was talking to the prime consultant for the job and he said the HPG was about 6 inches below grade. Scary stuff.

However, on an acreage it is highly doubtful that you hit anything at 6 inches.
Yup. That's crazy about the HPG line being only 6" below ground. That just shouldn't happen, but obviously it does on rare occasion. That's why you call before you do *any* digging, because you don't want to be in that 0.05% of cases where something isn't as deep as it should be, or wasn't put in the location it should have been.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:05 PM   #28
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I was not planning on hiring someone unqualified or someone who is an illegal worker!!!! I was just looking for a private contractor who would be willing/able to come out on a Friday evening or Saturday morning outside of his regular business hours. I would guess that AB1Call hires many of the same contractors...

Regardless, I've postponed the project. I was just hoping I could get it to work out today.
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I was not planning on hiring someone unqualified or someone who is an illegal worker!!!! I was just looking for a private contractor who would be willing/able to come out on a Friday evening or Saturday morning outside of his regular business hours. I would guess that AB1Call hires many of the same contractors...

Regardless, I've postponed the project. I was just hoping I could get it to work out today.
I don't know if private contractors can legally do checks like that. But I'm just guessing here.

Our point is that even if Alberta1Call people can be idiot sometimes, you would be protected more if you got them to do it.
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