Pravda says that Team Canada was on PEDs

[Cowperson]

Meanwhile, Sochi and other Russian officials want to emulate Vancouver's hospitality.

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/news-centr...medium=twitter

In fact, Dmitry Chernyshenko, the president of the Sochi 2014 organizing committee, who brought a team of 150 observers to the Vancouver Games, has instructed his staff to study - and later emulate - Canadian hospitality.

To that end, the Sochi team's top executives can be seen parking cars, serving coffee and giving guided tours at Sochi World, the popular Russian pavilion where guests can view displays of the next Winter Olympics city.

"Vancouver people are very special," Mr. Chernyshenko, 42, said in an interview yesterday morning at the Russian pavilion, which is installed at a science centre on Vancouver's False Creek. "They're so open and friendly. I feel that my people are getting energy from them."

I guess he didn't get the Kremlin hate memo.

Cowperson

[Hack&Lube]

Pravda is just a stupid russian tabloid. It means nothing. There are a couple tabloids and websites that named themselves Pravda. It has nothing to do with the original Pravda that was published for most of the 20th century which was shut down by the russian government in the 90s.

[JayP]

The best part of the article:

The middle finger and the giant raspberry go to the Canadian ice hockey team. Were they on drugs the day they beat Russia so overwhelmingly? These days, and since the USSR's 8-1 thrashing of Canada in the early 80s, Canada-Russia ice hockey games are always very closely fought events and there has not been such a monumental difference between the two sides. Very strange, the more so since the same Team Canada (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) put in an extremely lacklustre performance against lowly Slovakia and was lucky to reach Sunday's final. And for anyone who is about to be shocked by the question, one supposes it is OK to make cheap and gratuitous references to Russians and doping, but when the ball rolls back home it hurts. Right?"

So basically they're insinuating that Canada somehow took PEDs after they beat Germany and that those same PEDs effects wore off with-in 48 hours time to squeek by Slovakia.

You don't need much understanding of how PEDs and steroids work to realize how ridiculous that accusation is.

The funniest thing in all of this is that Canada could've taken as many PEDs as they wanted before they played Russia and it would have an no effect on the game. The reason athletes use PEDs is that it makes workouts much more effective and the recovery time from said workouts much quicker. It doesn't make players immediately stronger or faster.

[Muta]

I'm actually thinking about going to Sochi in 2014... something tells me they're going to pull off something great. It's still four years away, but that's four years that Russia can learn from the Vancouver experience.

If Chernyshenko is the person that he sounds like he is, he'll do what is necessary to make his games a success, not just for Russia but for all the competing countries and visitors.

[valo403]

[quote=JayP;2369842]The best part of the article:



So basically they're insinuating that Canada somehow took PEDs after they beat Germany and that those same PEDs effects wore off with-in 48 hours time to squeek by Slovakia.

You don't need much understanding of how PEDs and steroids work to realize how ridiculous that accusation is.

The funniest thing in all of this is that Canada could've taken as many PEDs as they wanted before they played Russia and it would have an no effect on the game. The reason athletes use PEDs is that it makes workouts much more effective and the recovery time from said workouts much quicker. It doesn't make players immediately stronger or faster.[/quote]

Although this article is total garbage, the highlighted part isn't true. There are plenty of banned drugs that can be used to increase short term performance, PEDs are not exclusively longer term muscle building drugs. Why do you think stimulants like ephedrine are on the banned substance list?

[Muta]

I've also often wondered what it's like for some of the athletes / visitors from countries whos quality of life is lower, to come to the Olympics in Vancouver and see the friendliness, hospitality, high standard of living and the beauty of the city they are experiencing. Not to mention, a political system that is one of the least corrupt in the world, where no one is held above the law. A stark contrast from that of, for example, Russia.

I've always wondered if some of these people go back home with a new, inspired attitude or with an enlightened experience. I would imagine for some of these people, the west coast of Canada seemed like such a magical place to be in more ways than just to see sporting events.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by valo403

Although this article is total garbage, the highlighted part isn't true. There are plenty of banned drugs that can be used to increase short term performance, PEDs are not exclusively longer term muscle building drugs. Why do you think stimulants like ephedrine are on the banned substance list?

I'm by no means an authority on the subject but I thought generally PEDs were long term type things. Anything that doesn't give long term type benefits but is on the list is on there because of it's ability to mask the presence of PEDs on the screening tests... or so I thought anyway.

*shrug*

[Stocky]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I worry about the Sochi games and the amount of corruption that will be running rampant throughout them in favor of the Russians.

Lots of reasons to worry about Sochi beyond that imo. I am not sure why it wasn't mentioned at the Vancouver Games when everyone was saying the Games shouldn't have been handed to a place where it is so warm, but it is much warmer in Sochi. Their climate is sub tropical.

Unseasonably warm weather which we saw in Vancouver is 14 degrees, but in Sochi unseasonably warm weather can be in the 20s. The record high for February is around 24 degrees iirc. I am not sure how warm it would be at higher elevations, but the mountains are closer to Sochi than Whistler is to Vancouver.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I'm by no means an authority on the subject but I thought generally PEDs were long term type things. Anything that doesn't give long term type benefits but is on the list is on there because of it's ability to mask the presence of PEDs on the screening tests... or so I thought anyway.

*shrug*

Nope, PED stands for perfromance enhancing drug, there are countless drugs out there that are used for short term performance enhancement, cocaine is a good example. Athletes taking 'uppers' like ephedrine before competition is pretty common when testing isn't rampant like at the Olympics, those drugs are taken for the boost they give short term performance. Which is why they are banned substances under most testing policies and certainly at the Olympics.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by valo403

Nope, PED stands for perfromance enhancing drug, there are countless drugs out there that are used for short term performance enhancement, cocaine is a good example. Athletes taking 'uppers' like ephedrine before competition is pretty common when testing isn't rampant like at the Olympics, those drugs are taken for the boost they give short term performance. Which is why they are banned substances under most testing policies and certainly at the Olympics.

Well - I stand corrected. I didn't think there was enough of a performance boost from ephedrine and was under the impression that it was banned because it was a masking agent because it acts as both a diuretic and can increase sweating which will help flush your system of traces of steroids, etc. and beat the drug tests for other (IMO, more serious) PEDs.


edit: I guess I should mention that for most purposes I consider the terms performance enhancing drugs and banned substance pretty much synonymous for every day purposes when technically they probably shouldn't be... I understand the distinction and recognize it but for casual conversation they kinda get lumped together. That might make my last post a little clearer.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Well - I stand corrected. I didn't think there was enough of a performance boost from ephedrine and was under the impression that it was banned because it was a masking agent because it acts as both a diuretic and can increase sweating which will help flush your system of traces of steroids, etc. and beat the drug tests for other (IMO, more serious) PEDs.


edit: I guess I should mention that for most purposes I consider the terms performance enhancing drugs and banned substance pretty much synonymous for every day purposes when technically they probably shouldn't be... I understand the distinction and recognize it but for casual conversation they kinda get lumped together. That might make my last post a little clearer.

Ephedrine is definitely a performance enhancer, I've watched guys I played rugby with pop 3 or 4 pills and fly around like they've been shot out of a cannon for 40 minutes.

Masking agents often lead to the 'innocent' positive results, or so athletes argue. They can show up in a lot of seemingly innocuous products. Same goes for cold medicines, although those restrictions are a little more open than they used to be. I was briefly subject to IOC standard restrictions a few years ago and fighting a cold meant creating your own recipe for cold medicine from a selection of approved substances. It was rarely remotely effective. Booze worked though.

[RoadGame]

So the weather in the town of Sochi will be warm, fine - what about up in the mountains nearby? The weather's really only relevant for outdoor events, which won't be held in the town.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by valo403

You're too generous

Generalizations are always off base, but I've genuinely never met a Russian abroad that I didn't want to strangle with an electrical cord. I guess that has a lot to do with only the super privileged upper class having the ability to travel, but god those people are impossible to be around.

I hope you're joking.....

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

I hope you're joking.....

Not at all. In my experience Russians abroad are impossible to be around. As I said, it's a generalization to extend that to ALL Russians abroad, but so far that's what I've found.

[Stocky]

Originally Posted by RoadGame

So the weather in the town of Sochi will be warm, fine - what about up in the mountains nearby? The weather's really only relevant for outdoor events, which won't be held in the town.

From what I understand if the temps at sea level are 15 degrees the temp at max elevation would be at coldest -6. If it happened to get to 24 degrees as per their record high, it would be melting.

PS They also get more precip than Vancouver so if it is raining it would obviously be even worse

[nickerjones]

I knew you guys cheated!! GOLD FOR THE AMERICANS!!!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I worry about the Sochi games and the amount of corruption that will be running rampant throughout them in favor of the Russians.

Makes it even better when we win again.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I knew you guys cheated!! GOLD FOR THE AMERICANS!!!

Blowhard....

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Stocky

Lots of reasons to worry about Sochi beyond that imo. I am not sure why it wasn't mentioned at the Vancouver Games when everyone was saying the Games shouldn't have been handed to a place where it is so warm, but it is much warmer in Sochi. Their climate is sub tropical.

Unseasonably warm weather which we saw in Vancouver is 14 degrees, but in Sochi unseasonably warm weather can be in the 20s. The record high for February is around 24 degrees iirc. I am not sure how warm it would be at higher elevations, but the mountains are closer to Sochi than Whistler is to Vancouver.

It could be interesting. They were talking about it on CBC today. Apparently they have tea plantations there. According to wikipedia, other "sub tropical" cities in the world include Atlanta and Santiago, Chile. Not exactly a winter wonderland.

Maybe it is a winter wonderland in the mountains though, I don't know. But it looks like they'll be walking around in shirtsleeves in the town itself.

[Stocky]

Originally Posted by valo403

Not at all. In my experience Russians abroad are impossible to be around. As I said, it's a generalization to extend that to ALL Russians abroad, but so far that's what I've found.

I am surprised you have met so many unless you speak Russian. I have only met one group of Russians who spoke English around me (in Whistler), but they liked hockey and vodka, as did I, so I thought they were great.