Calgary 'Gang' violence

[Bertuzzied]

I'm asian and i'm really p*ssed off that all these crazy viet guys are running all over town shooting up people and then the media just classify them all as "asians". Everyone of the names written in the article are vietnamese. Of course i'm kind of biased because one of my good friend's fiance was an innocent bystander killed by a viet gang member in chinatown back in the early 90's. I'm so p*ssed even thinking about that incident 13 years later.

That is really a huge shame these guys are doing this. I went to university and hung out with alot of vietnamese people and some of them are the smartest, hardest working people i've ever met.

Of course if they kill each other than thats more than ok. it's just when innocent people get involved they should be totally deported when caught.

[Ozy_Flame]

I'd say its a little bit of racial targeting mixed in with a bunch of one-sided propaganda from the media, but I guess that's just how they operate. TV, newspapers, and almost any other source of news these days like to focus on the paranoia of life, rather than the positive things that happen, which I believe happen in greater numbers than negative scenarios like gang violence. The media spins a negative light on alot of issues, and consistently overblows newspieces to add money-making sensationalism. It's sad, but society thrives on dramatic incidences like this. If I can remember correctly, only about one out of every 10 papers prints the front-page with a heart-warming or positive story.

As for the incident itself, I've seen Asian gang members come and go, and I'm really not surprised. It doesn't take alot to p*ss these guys off, especially when they're trying to impress their fellow members. But for those of you safeguarding your house and walking around with pepper spray, RELAX! Anyone who lives in ANY city should know streets smarts, and as long as you do, you're doing yourself a favor by avoiding these kinds of things! It is so rare to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with regards to something like this, anyone who becomes perpetually scared over it is overreacting.

[rockstar]

Whatever happened to a good old-fashioned fist fight? Long gone (it seems) are the days where an altercation would lead to a good 1-on-1 bout, and end with that. There was never anything more.

Now, it seems a lot of people are getting really caught-up in this gangster scene, and it's ridiculous. Especially those who grow up in upper-middle class homes with families. It's gotten way out of hand. In Calgary especially. You look at someone, and you're getting yourself into trouble. These guys (and I'm not limiting this to Asians or whatever) go out of their way looking for an excuse to pull out their uzi or machete or whatever, and it p*sses the hell out of me.

What this city needs is a huge importing of Newfies, or maybe Irish (but preferably only Catholic or Protestand, not both :P ). Settle issues the way they used to be.

Let's just stop killing eachother.

[zarrell]

I'm still trying to figure out how all these people are getting guns after throwing all that money at the problem

[peter12]

Originally posted by zarrell@Mar 1 2005, 07:53 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how all these people are getting guns after throwing all that money at the problem

Well to be fair they aren't using hunting rifles or duck guns.

[Ozy_Flame]

I'm totally down for turing Prince's Island Park into an "Escape from New York" maximum penetentiary, where we send gang members and convicts to fend for themselves over valuable resources!

[Neeper]

Bertuzzied, guess what? The shooting at the club didn't involve a viet at all. The victim was Cambodian and the shooter was apparently Korean. Please don't tell me ALL asian violence are vietnamese, because it's not. Please don't think a few bad apples makes us all bad.

Also, is anyone surprised none of these shooter ever get caught?? Think about it. How many "unsolved" gang crimes has there been? Look at many shootings and stabbing do not get an arrest, only suspects. I am gonna say it, and I don't care if you guys agree with me at all. THE POLICE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THESE CRIMES. As long as they are killing each other. It's true. Yeah, they do some paper work and asking around and get suspects. Rarely is anyone charged or does time in jail for any murders or attempts. If this is going to ever stop, the police WILL have to step in and work harder to catch these *******. With the attitude they have on the streets, their asses are grass if they ever do time in Edmonton Max. If the Police keep turning the blind eye, there will be more bloodshed.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Hard to put someone away when no one will testify against anyone Neeper. The police are not so much turning a blind eye as much as their hands are tied in the situation. A case will only go to court/an individual will only be charged if there is reasonable grounds to believe that there will be a conviction.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Mar 2 2005, 12:41 AM
Hard to put someone away when no one will testify against anyone Neeper. The police are not so much turning a blind eye as much as their hands are tied in the situation. A case will only go to court/an individual will only be charged if there is reasonable grounds to believe that there will be a conviction.

Agreed, the police have commented many times on how frustrating it is that no one will come forward and testify in these cases.

[Neeper]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+Mar 2 2005, 11:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ Mar 2 2005, 11:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mean Mr. Mustard@Mar 2 2005, 12:41 AM
Hard to put someone away when no one will testify against anyone Neeper. The police are not so much turning a blind eye as much as their hands are tied in the situation. A case will only go to court/an individual will only be charged if there is reasonable grounds to believe that there will be a conviction.

Agreed, the police have commented many times on how frustrating it is that no one will come forward and testify in these cases. [/b][/quote]
yeah that's what they say... but is that the truth?

Here's a question I'd like to ask most of you. If you were to witness something like this (shooting, stabbing). It has to be something that would seem "gang related". Would you come forward with info. Would you testify?? It would really be interested to see the responses...

[Calgary Flames]

Just thought i'd add in... Boxing day a few years ago I was minutes away from witnessing the stabbing at West Edmonton Mall... There was blood Everywhere, and a guy bleeding to death with paramedics trying to save his life right in the mall... Easily the most disturbing thing I've seen in my life. How ANY human being could do that is beyond me.

Makes me wish they had public stonings. I've even heard some of these guys who go to prison and come out with college degrees and end up back where they were. Unreal.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by Neeper+Mar 2 2005, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neeper @ Mar 2 2005, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Agreed, the police have commented many times on how frustrating it is that no one will come forward and testify in these cases.

yeah that's what they say... but is that the truth?

Here's a question I'd like to ask most of you. If you were to witness something like this (shooting, stabbing). It has to be something that would seem "gang related". Would you come forward with info. Would you testify?? It would really be interested to see the responses... [/b][/quote]
A very valid question Neeper.

I'll be honest - probably not. If I felt that testifying would endanger my life or my family's life - no way man.

I can appreciate why the cops are having a hard time getting people to step up. Tough thing for most to do.

[dangler22]

Jordon- my friend witnessed the attack you are reffering to. I can't remember the details (involved a machete though) I will have to ask him about it again when I see him later on today.
Oh and to answer Neepers question of whether or not I would testify- personally I probably wouldn't to tell ya the truth. The last thing I need is a bunch of gang members coming down on my ass.

[socalwingfan]

Originally posted by Neeper@Mar 2 2005, 07:45 PM
[Here's a question I'd like to ask most of you.# If you were to witness something like this (shooting, stabbing).# It has to be something that would seem "gang related".# Would you come forward with info.# Would you testify??# It would really be interested to see the responses...

Right now there is a trial going on where I live in which a 15 year old girl was stabbed multiple times and then stomped to death by a skinhead gang that thought she had squealed on them.
It sucks to say, but if I witnessed a gang-related crime I would probably walk away and let them take revenge on each other rather than risk my families lives.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Neeper+Mar 2 2005, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neeper @ Mar 2 2005, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Agreed, the police have commented many times on how frustrating it is that no one will come forward and testify in these cases.

yeah that's what they say... but is that the truth?

Here's a question I'd like to ask most of you. If you were to witness something like this (shooting, stabbing). It has to be something that would seem "gang related". Would you come forward with info. Would you testify?? It would really be interested to see the responses... [/b][/quote]
I think cops love nothing more than throwing these guys in prison. I find it hard to say that a Canadian police outfit is turning a blind eye to murders/shootings... that seems pretty far fetched. If we were somewhere else, maybe.

EDIT: I heard there was another shooting today on Deerfoot. Can anyone confirm?

[JiriHrdina]

Haven't heard anything about gunfire on deerfoot but there was an axe wielding maniac running around.

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[Calgary Flames]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina@Mar 2 2005, 03:38 PM
Haven't heard anything about gunfire on deerfoot but there was an axe wielding maniac running around.

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Northeast... not suprised.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina+Mar 2 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JiriHrdina @ Mar 2 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

yeah that's what they say... but is that the truth?

Here's a question I'd like to ask most of you. If you were to witness something like this (shooting, stabbing). It has to be something that would seem "gang related". Would you come forward with info. Would you testify?? It would really be interested to see the responses...

A very valid question Neeper.

I'll be honest - probably not. If I felt that testifying would endanger my life or my family's life - no way man.

I can appreciate why the cops are having a hard time getting people to step up. Tough thing for most to do. [/b][/quote]
Depends on the victim. If one gang-banger kills another, and the issue is clearly one that both people engaged in, then I could easily see myself being too intimidated to take the stand.

Innocent mother caught in crossfire, orphaned children at home... yeah, I'd probably take the stand (potentially w/ regrets).

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+Mar 2 2005, 09:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ Mar 2 2005, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

yeah that's what they say... but is that the truth?

Here's a question I'd like to ask most of you. If you were to witness something like this (shooting, stabbing). It has to be something that would seem "gang related". Would you come forward with info. Would you testify?? It would really be interested to see the responses...

I think cops love nothing more than throwing these guys in prison. I find it hard to say that a Canadian police outfit is turning a blind eye to murders/shootings... that seems pretty far fetched. If we were somewhere else, maybe.

EDIT: I heard there was another shooting today on Deerfoot. Can anyone confirm? [/b][/quote]
Yep, I'm pretty sure 2 black SUV's opened fire on another car on Deerfoot. Supposedly these are the same SUV's involved in a shooting incident earlier this week/last week.

[Neeper]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Mar 2 2005, 03:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Mar 2 2005, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I think cops love nothing more than throwing these guys in prison. I find it hard to say that a Canadian police outfit is turning a blind eye to murders/shootings... that seems pretty far fetched. If we were somewhere else, maybe.

EDIT: I heard there was another shooting today on Deerfoot. Can anyone confirm?

Yep, I'm pretty sure 2 black SUV's opened fire on another car on Deerfoot. Supposedly these are the same SUV's involved in a shooting incident earlier this week/last week. [/b][/quote]
Good, let them kill each other.