Alex Plante demands a trade

[Resolute 14]

He could have gone and played Jr A if he really was upset with the Hitmen to the point of never playing again. I'd guess that whatever was driving this request is either resolved or simply shelved.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Let him sit for the season.
The Flames own the Hitmen - he's an Oiler pick, so....

not suggesting anything underhanded is going on, but what prevents a conflict of interest in this type of situation?

When NHL teams own junior teams, they control or influence the development of other NHL team prospects

[calculoso]

Heard something on the radio this morning about Alex and Dave Lowry having a chat, clearing the air, and Alex now being excited about the season...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

not suggesting anything underhanded is going on, but what prevents a conflict of interest in this type of situation?

When NHL teams own junior teams, they control or influence the development of other NHL team prospects

I think at this point, it is basically an honour system. As it is, the situation is pretty much unique, as before the Flames bought the Hitmen, I can't think of any situation where an NHL team owned a major-junior team since the beginnings of the NHL draft in the 60s.

Currently, I believe the Hitmen and Oil Kings are the only two franchises owned by NHL teams.

[FlamesKickAss]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

not suggesting anything underhanded is going on, but what prevents a conflict of interest in this type of situation?

When NHL teams own junior teams, they control or influence the development of other NHL team prospects

dont the flames have pretty much a hands off approach? The hitmen are there to make money and you make money by putting the best players out there at all times in order to make playoffs and make more money.

plus it has to be somewhere in the nhl rules and regs that the flames or oilers (for the oil kings) can't dictate what goes on with the hitmen or oil kings in order to prevent this from happening (like is there any ducks prospects playing for the oil kings? that could've got interesting).

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I think at this point, it is basically an honour system. As it is, the situation is pretty much unique, as before the Flames bought the Hitmen, I can't think of any situation where an NHL team owned a major-junior team since the beginnings of the NHL draft in the 60s.

Currently, I believe the Hitmen and Oil Kings are the only two franchises owned by NHL teams.

i'm foggy on my hockey history, but didnt the Boston Bruins own the Oshawa Generals, and thats how they got Bobby Orr?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I think at this point, it is basically an honour system. As it is, the situation is pretty much unique, as before the Flames bought the Hitmen, I can't think of any situation where an NHL team owned a major-junior team since the beginnings of the NHL draft in the 60s.

Currently, I believe the Hitmen and Oil Kings are the only two franchises owned by NHL teams.

What NHL team owns the Oil Kings? I thought there was only a WHL and an AHL team in Edmonton?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

i'm foggy on my hockey history, but didnt the Boston Bruins own the Oshawa Generals, and thats how they got Bobby Orr?

Back in the day, NHL teams sponsored players or teams. Those players then became the property of that team. Hell, the Canadiens wanted Jean Beliveau so bad, they bought the Quebec Senior League outright and turned it pro. Every year the Habs offered him a contract, the Quebec Aces simply matched it.

One of those history altering fun facts: 15-year old Gordie Howe attended an open try-out camp in Winnipeg that was hosted by the Rangers in 1943. He quickly became homesick and failed to make an impression. He was invited to a Red Wings camp the next year where Jack Adams called him the best prospect he'd ever seen. New York was that close to owning one of the greatest players of all time.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

not suggesting anything underhanded is going on, but what prevents a conflict of interest in this type of situation?

When NHL teams own junior teams, they control or influence the development of other NHL team prospects

I am not sure that possibly ruining the career of an 18 year old kid that may or may not make it is really worth it for an NHL kid.

Plus, the kid would have options to continue to play so I am not sure that it would really be worth it.

Personally I am not sure as a fan of the team I would be all that happy if I heard about my team doing something like that, I doubt that agents would be all that impressed, FA's couldn't be overly impressed either and of course other GM's would always question what you may have done/will do with their prospects.

So while there is nothing formal preventing teams from that conflict of interest I think it is pretty clear that it really isn't worth it for the parent club to do anything, not to mention the ramifications that it would have on the junior team that the NHL team presumedly wants to still do well.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I think at this point, it is basically an honour system. As it is, the situation is pretty much unique, as before the Flames bought the Hitmen, I can't think of any situation where an NHL team owned a major-junior team since the beginnings of the NHL draft in the 60s.

Currently, I believe the Hitmen and Oil Kings are the only two franchises owned by NHL teams.

I can think of a situation where an NHL owner also owned TWO major-junior teams at the same time. Senators owner Eugene Melnyk bought the Mississauga Ice Dogs while owning the St Mike's Majors. He later sold the Ice Dogs and they were moved to St Catharines while the Majors moved to the Ice Dogs former rink.

[Resolute 14]

Yeah, I should have remembered Melnyk and the St. Mikes Majors scenario. So that makes three today.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

dont the flames have pretty much a hands off approach? The hitmen are there to make money and you make money by putting the best players out there at all times in order to make playoffs and make more money.

plus it has to be somewhere in the nhl rules and regs that the flames or oilers (for the oil kings) can't dictate what goes on with the hitmen or oil kings in order to prevent this from happening (like is there any ducks prospects playing for the oil kings? that could've got interesting).

How can the Flames not have a hands on approach when they use the exact same marketing team. Not to mention Ken King is the President of the Calgary Flames and Calgary Hitmen (And QC Flames too)

[looooob]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

How can the Flames not have a hands on approach when they use the exact same marketing team. Not to mention Ken King is the President of the Calgary Flames and Calgary Hitmen (And QC Flames too)

not hands on in the sense that Daryl Sutter isn't walking into Kisio or Lowry's office telling them what to do on the ice

[FlamesKickAss]

yea hands off the hockey operations