C-61: Copyright legislation **UPDATE**

[fredr123]

As always, Michael Geist has some interesting information on these and other internety topics. Of particular note is his background piece on Canadian copyright reform here: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2985/125/

Also of note, is this post about the private member's bill introduced by David McGuinty that, among other things: outlaw the much-hated system access fee and require the CRTC to study issues such as how stop providers from locking devices, to provide more accurate information on network speeds, and to implement greater transparency of network management practices on mobile and broadband networks.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Rifleman

How do I know who my MP is, and how do I get in touch with them? I'm up in the Patterson Hills area, and I think we got Rob Anders last time.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Comp....aspx?Menu=HOC

Just plug in your postal code.

[kermitology]

I e-mailed my MP.. fat load it will do though since the CPC are sheep.. apparently bought by the pockets of Ted Rogers.

Man this pisses me off!

[Azure]

Another thing, how will they find out who is doing this?

The cops won't just randomly come and search through my computer for copyrighted stuff, and I doubt a judge would grant them a warrant for it.

And my ISP has already promised me to never give out my information unless the courts force them too.

Are they going to go after the 'big' users....people who download 100gigs per month....or are they going to go after people who download a CD per month.

Lets not even mention the fact that downloading music via p2p has directly increased the amount of sales for legal music.

[tete]

Originally Posted by someguy51

Whatever happened to fair use?

Fair use in Canada has never been defined. It's extremely loosey-goosey and the Act does not state what is included in fair dealing - for example, copying material out of publications (which is more my expertise not digital media) - there's no number given of what percentage you're allowed to copy under fair use. It's pretty frustrating.

[Mccree]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I e-mailed my MP.. fat load it will do though since the CPC are sheep.. apparently bought by the pockets of Ted Rogers.

Man this pisses me off!

Suggest we all do the same. I can live with the cell phone thing but the CD to portable device and the PVR thing is complete BS.

[Bobblehead]

I just wonder if people realize how much this will affect them in the future?

People posting in this thread do, but the average person on the street, do they realize this is affecting the cell phone they use, the expensive big screen tv they bought (with the PVR they have heard so much about), the music they listen to, and so on?

I don't think people realize how much of their daily lives has a chance to be affected by this.

And to Azure's point - I have no idea how they can enforce much of this.

Making it an offense to rip copy protected CDs to MP3 players will suddenly make tens of thousands of honest citizens into lawbreakers. They may as well ban any MP3 player over 20 GB, or at least record your name for follow up investigation to find out where you got all that content. Even if you did buy all your music legally, you had better hope you online music store stays in business or you will lose all that music (as MSN Music customers found out, and Google video buyers before that)

And god forbid you want to be able to use your cell phone for what it was actually designed to be able to do. Instead, why not make it illegal to do anything your service provider could instead make money at? That sounds fair. Even the US, in their highly criticized and vilified DMCA, explicitly allowed for the unlocking of cell phones.

And maybe a studio would rather sell you a season's worth of DVDs, so they had better not allow you to record that show. NBC already made a "mistake" and didn't allow people to record shows. More than a few people were surprised that this was even possible.

These aren't just worse case scenarios. These have already happened, either by mistake or avarice.

[corporatejay]

Well the Conservatives don't have a majority so does anyone know how the NDP/Libs/Bloc feel about this?

[FlamesKickAss]

I want to write to my mp but not to sure on exactly what to say without sounding whiny. Can someone send me a letter that they sent so that I can get some ideas?

Or maybe an online petition or something, but then that would just put our names on a list to look at first when this goes through.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Well the Conservatives don't have a majority so does anyone know how the NDP/Libs/Bloc feel about this?

No kidding. I really thought this gov't was going to be different. And like someone said, it was supposed to be a small government that stayed out of people's business.

I wonder how big the kickback from EMI & SONY was for this to go through?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

I want to write to my mp but not to sure on exactly what to say without sounding whiny. Can someone send me a letter that they sent so that I can get some ideas?

Dear MP,

Please remove your dick from my @$$, and my iPod.

Sincerely,

Concerned Citizen

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Dear MP,

Please remove your dick from my @$$, and my iPod.

Sincerely,

Concerned Citizen

I was blunt with my MP.

Plus, I've emailed back and forth about issues with him before, so he should know I'm not whining.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by fotze

I don't think the PC'S have ever indicated they were non-big business. The stay out of personal lives thing doesn't really jive either with their religious right musings about not staying out of bedrooms.

They don't want you to have free reign with these devices though. Only things like guns where you can murder and maim innocent people.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Well the Conservatives don't have a majority so does anyone know how the NDP/Libs/Bloc feel about this?

The Liberals had a pretty poor piece of legislation themselves that disappeared when they were voted out. The minister in charge at the time was known for having close ties to "the Arts", and the proposed legislation was also very friendly for the major record labels.

So I doubt there will be much the Liberals can say against it (not that this has stopped a politician from flip-flopping before).

[MarchHare]

So I doubt there will be much the Liberals can say against it (not that this has stopped a politician from flip-flopping before).

I guess we can hope, perhaps naively, that the Liberals will adopt a populist stance and oppose the Conservative legislation on the grounds that it will help them in the next election. Yes it's distasteful, but whatever keeps this dreadful bill from passing will be ok in my books. Every party tends to have slightly different stances depending on whether they're in power or not, so it wouldn't be anything new for them to cozy up to the media companies when they form the government and then oppose similar legislation when they're in opposition.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Azure

Another thing, how will they find out who is doing this?

The cops won't just randomly come and search through my computer for copyrighted stuff, and I doubt a judge would grant them a warrant for it.

And my ISP has already promised me to never give out my information unless the courts force them too.

Are they going to go after the 'big' users....people who download 100gigs per month....or are they going to go after people who download a CD per month.

Lets not even mention the fact that downloading music via p2p has directly increased the amount of sales for legal music.

I fear the power to compel subscriber information from the ISPs will be similar to that proposed in the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (wikileaks, older CP thread). It's not spelled out in the proposal but I fear a more administrative route to getting the information that removes a number of the hurdles currently out there (such as having a prima facie case of infringement).

[Slava]

Originally Posted by fotze

True, so why do people think the PC's were all about personal freedoms (other than guns). They are more about fiscal conservativism, helping out big businesses, tough on crime (which usually means less freedoms). This really shouldn't be a suprise. If people voted for the PC's expecting them to allow what alot of senior citizens believe to be illegal activity then they had the wrong impression.

This is why I am always torn between these parties and none really fit my mold. I like the fiscal conservativism but hate pretty much all the rest (and don't try and convince me the liberals are fiscal conservatives, not going to work)

Well some liberals are fiscal conservatives and the two are not mutually exclusive!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Azure

And my ISP has already promised me to never give out my information unless the courts force them too.

Which ISP is this?

So umm, download everything now before they change the laws!

[NSFL]

Originally Posted by SebC

Which ISP is this?

So umm, download everything now before they change the laws!

That doesn't help us in the future.

[fredr123]

Hope no one is holding their breath for the new copyright bill. Michael Geist points out this Globe and Mail article suggesting the bill's introduction has been delayed until next week. Pity.