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Kerplunk · 03-29-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

um, i think i explained why it's dumb... so why does second place Canada get two shots at first place china in the playoffs just because they finish second in the round robin in which they lost to china? How does it reward China? they have to beat canada 3 times while canada only has to beat them once.

and BTW it''s only been used at worlds since '05. in Canada since '96

just my opinion.

The "reward" for the winner of the 1-2 game is a bye to the finals, which is huge. The fact that it's Canada that they keep facing should not factor into anything.

flambers · 03-30-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

um, i think i explained why it's dumb... so why does second place Canada get two shots at first place china in the playoffs just because they finish second in the round robin in which they lost to china? How does it reward China? they have to beat canada 3 times while canada only has to beat them once.

and BTW it''s only been used at worlds since '05. in Canada since '96

just my opinion.

The page system has been used in Canada for quite awhile the World's also grabed the system as it makes sense.

Its not dumb, both China and Canada went through the round robin with two loses.

They deserved a second chance if they lose the 1-2 game. It that was not the system why would China and Canada play in the semi-finals?

ricoFlame · 03-30-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

It that was not the system why would China and Canada play in the semi-finals?

they wouldn't. that's the point. once again, my issue here is that china will probably lose today giving them a 2-1 record against the champion. that's dumb.

Kerplunk · 03-30-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

they wouldn't. that's the point. once again, my issue here is that china will probably lose today giving them a 2-1 record against the champion. that's dumb.

Actually, it's a 1-1 record, since I don't think you can take the round robin into account. If you did, then almost every system could be considered dumb, since a team could get blanked in regular season and win a single game in the post-season.

corporatejay · 03-30-2008, 02:40 PM

Good match, china made mistakes today that they didn't make on friday.

Good showing though they should be proud.

Dion · 03-30-2008, 02:40 PM

Canada beats China 7-4 to win it all!

ricoFlame · 03-30-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerplunk

Actually, it's a 1-1 record, since I don't think you can take the round robin into account. If you did, then almost every system could be considered dumb, since a team could get blanked in regular season and win a single game in the post-season.

?? alright, whatever. doesn't matter Canada won. yay.

just out of curosity, how did finishing in a three way tie for first benefit the swiss? hmmm.....love that page system

Dion · 03-30-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by corporatejay

Good match, china made mistakes today that they didn't make on friday.

Good showing though they should be proud.

China was not aggressive like they were in the round robin.

Kerplunk · 03-30-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

just out of curosity, how did finishing in a three way tie for first benefit the swiss? hmmm.....love that page system

Ummm...I think you gotta blame the skip on that one, not the playoff system. I believe the tie breaker is a draw to the button.

ricoFlame · 03-30-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerplunk

Ummm...I think you gotta blame the skip on that one, not the playoff system. I believe the tie breaker is a draw to the button.

exactly, so the page system rewards the team who can draw closest to the button on a one shot deal...good lord, it's a bonspiel, not a draw to the button contest.

Kerplunk · 03-30-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

exactly, so the page system rewards the team who can draw closest to the button on a one shot deal...good lord, it's a bonspiel, not a draw to the button contest.

No, the page system rewards the top 2 teams; it's the curling association that determine that a draw to the button will determine the top seeds in the case of a tie. Your getting the two mixed up. And besides, a skip with good sweepers should be able to draw to the 4 foot on command. Maybe they deserve to be third seed.

ricoFlame · 03-30-2008, 03:03 PM

anyway, agree to disagree. Canada won.

Frequitude · 03-30-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

um, i think i explained why it's dumb... so why does second place Canada get two shots at first place china in the playoffs just because they finish second in the round robin in which they lost to china? How does it reward China? they have to beat canada 3 times while canada only has to beat them once.

and BTW it''s only been used at worlds since '05. in Canada since '96

just my opinion.

China didn't have to beat Canada three times to win the championship, they had to beat them once...in the final...they didn't.

The round robin is, and should be, a huge part of the tournament. The only way to emphasize that is with the page system.

flambers · 03-30-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

?? alright, whatever. doesn't matter Canada won. yay.

just out of curosity, how did finishing in a three way tie for first benefit the swiss? hmmm.....love that page system

Okay here is a link. As the Link mentioned each team was 1-1 (i.e. Canada beat the Swiss, China Beat Canada, Swiss beat China)

The second tie breaker is the draw to the button.... Which was a pre-event challenge and every team is aware of the rules.

http://www.worldcurling.org/content/view/362/85/

"Since each team was 1-1 within the group in round-robin play, the pre-event Draw Shot Challenge results were used for playoff seeding purposes. China, ranked first, will play Canada (second) in the Page playoff "1 versus 2" match Friday evening, with the winner advancing to Sunday's final. Switzerland (third) meets the winner of Friday's morning's tiebreaker between Japan's Moe Meguro and Denmark's Angelina Jensen (both 7-4) in the Page playoff "3 versus 4" match Friday afternoon."

ricoFlame · 03-30-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

Okay here is a link. As the Link mentioned each team was 1-1 (i.e. Canada beat the Swiss, China Beat Canada, Swiss beat China)

The second tie breaker is the draw to the button.... Which was a pre-event challenge and every team is aware of the rules.

http://www.worldcurling.org/content/view/362/85/

"Since each team was 1-1 within the group in round-robin play, the pre-event Draw Shot Challenge results were used for playoff seeding purposes. China, ranked first, will play Canada (second) in the Page playoff "1 versus 2" match Friday evening, with the winner advancing to Sunday's final. Switzerland (third) meets the winner of Friday's morning's tiebreaker between Japan's Moe Meguro and Denmark's Angelina Jensen (both 7-4) in the Page playoff "3 versus 4" match Friday afternoon."

that's a heck of a link, it says exactly what has already been said in the thread. thank you.

ricoFlame · 03-30-2008, 06:53 PM

i don't like the page system or the tie breaker. all this isn't going to change my view.

flambers · 03-30-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

that's a heck of a link, it says exactly what has already been said in the thread. thank you.

A question do you even Curl? Why I ask is the Page System is very well liked among the Curlers. Its allot better than the previous system.......

flambers · 03-30-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

i don't like the page system or the tie breaker. all this isn't going to change my view.

Thats okay, you are by far in the minorty.

Frequitude · 03-31-2008, 07:44 AM

Gotta respect the man's opinion.

ricoFlame, can you think of a better way to put high emphasis on the round robin portion of any major sporting event with 10 teams/competitors?

GirlySports · 03-31-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Frequitude

Gotta respect the man's opinion.

ricoFlame, can you think of a better way to put high emphasis on the round robin portion of any major sporting event with 10 teams/competitors?

I can answer this.

First place team in the round-robin goes straight to the final. 2nd and 3rd play in a "semi-final".

Why do we need this 1 v 2 and 3 v 4 page business for?