Toronto to get black-focused school

[browna]

A lot of wasted huffing and puffing in this thread...but as AaronSJ rightly points out, its just another choice among the many in Toronto that there are with slightly altered ciriculums focusing more on say for example the Underground Railroad in this country coming from the Southern US, or talking about Watts Riots, as opposed to discussing Louis Riel or the FLQ crisis.

But black kids don't have to go if they don't want, white kids can go if they want.

[ken0042]

I guess it's all in how it is presented. People have brought up Catholic, Athletic, French, etc schools; and if it comes down to the school offering the same ciriculum but offers "Black History" instead of Band as an option course, then I see it as a good idea. Especially if there isn't enough kids to warrant having such courses in every school in a city.

However if this is being done in order to allow students with poor marks a chance to be graded on a curve; then I question what the point is in allowing kids to "pass" when they are still lacking the skills that the adult world will require.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I would hope not. That'd be forced assimilation. I don't see anything wrong with people wanting their kids to learn in a certain atmosphere. It's no different than rich kids going to private schools, french kids (or anyone else) going to a french immersion... ESL type schools.

I think that because it is the black community, us whities automatically see it as reverse racism.

I think it would be called becoming Canadian. "Us whities" can speak for ourselves.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I also have to cry foul at the allegation that certain races can't learn the same way as others. I don't think there's much empirical evidence that Asians are superior at math, caucasians are superior at social sciences and Africans are superior at athletics or crap like that... so why feed the flames with this nonsense.

Yeah I'm not buying this either. I would like to see evidence from studies done on this. Not just "drop out rates are higher with black students". That doesn't mean anything.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by browna

its just another choice among the many in Toronto that there are with slightly altered ciriculums focusing more on say for example the Underground Railroad in this country coming from the Southern US, or talking about Watts Riots, as opposed to discussing Louis Riel or the FLQ crisis.

Considering most of the blacks in Toronto come from the Caribbean or Africa, I don't see the point in a US focused curriculum replacing a Canadian focused one.

[lambeburger]

So the next question is whether they'd allow non-blacks to also go to this school.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

I think it would be called becoming Canadian. "Us whities" can speak for ourselves.

"Becoming Canadian" means you have a wide range of choices for your education.

Or should they all be scrapped and everyone just goes to public school? No more Christian/Catholic/Muslim/Jewish schools?

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

"Becoming Canadian" means you have a wide range of choices for your education.

Or should they all be scrapped and everyone just goes to public school? No more Christian/Catholic/Muslim/Jewish schools?

Is having a public school forced assimilation? I think not! Read the quote in my reply then you can make your post. You take my post out of context and it sounds like you have a point.

[habernac]

I think the problem most have with this idea is that it will be publicly funded. That's my major dislike of the idea.

Would full scale curriculum(sp?) changes help?

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

"Becoming Canadian" means you have a wide range of choices for your education.

Or should they all be scrapped and everyone just goes to public school? No more Christian/Catholic/Muslim/Jewish schools?

There is a difference in having a racially divided school and having religiously divided school. Blacks are Christian/ Catholic/ Muslim/ Jewish...

Religion is a big part of education for the religious. How is your skin color a factor in how you learn and how you should have your mind molded?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

Is having a public school forced assimilation? I think not, read the quote in my reply then you can make your post. You take my post out of context and it sounds like you have a point.

Of course having a public school is not forced assimilation. Insisting that someone goes to it is.

One guy said it's forced assmiliation and I, by default, agreed with him. You said it's "becoming Canadian".

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Of course having a public school is not forced assimilation. Insisting that someone goes to it is.

One guy said it's forced assmiliation and I, by default, agreed with him. You said it's "becoming Canadian".

So you are agreeing with NOT having a racial centric school is forced assimilation?

Skin color is not a factor in your ideologies. All something like this does is perpetuate racially motivated stereotypes and is a factor in the decline of the western civilization.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by fotze

Catholic schools aren't privately funded.

But if you have kids in Catholic school, you have to pay more taxes.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

But if you have kids in Catholic school, you have to pay more taxes.

Pretty much. Catholic Schools are privately funded in a sense, as people have a choice where their education tax goes. By default it goes to the public unless you choose otherwise. When you choose otherwise, it tends to jump a little. Many patrons of the catholic school system feel its worth it.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

So you are agreeing with NOT having a racial centric school is forced assimilation?

Umm, I don't know.

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

Skin color is not a factor in your ideologies. All something like this does is perpetuate racially motivated stereotypes and is a factor in the decline of the western civilization.

Decline of the western civilization? Sheesh.

Anyway, I'm not entirely sold on the idea in the first place, but there is a 40% dropout rate among a certain group of students, so clearly something is not working. If it takes an "Afrocentric" school to educate those kids and get them better prepared for the real world then it's worth it.

Western civilization can look after itself.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Umm, I don't know.



Decline of the western civilization? Sheesh.

Anyway, I'm not entirely sold on the idea in the first place, but there is a 40% dropout rate among a certain group of students, so clearly something is not working. If it takes an "Afrocentric" school to educate those kids and get them better prepared for the real world then it's worth it.

Western civilization can look after itself.

Worth a try I guess. I don't think the issue is in the institution of education. Go to any school on a native reservation and I think the success of a black focused school is fully realized. That might not be the best example. The change comes in the home, IMO.

I know the decline of the western civilization was a little strong, I laughed when I was writing it.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by fotze

That suprises me, I went to catholic school from 1-12 and after that I always thought the tax bill was the exact same. I cannot find anywhere that it costs more to declare your taxes to go to the separate sytem and my parents never mentioned that and I never heard that from anyone. You could be right but that would suprise me. Can anyone find a link that says that?

To tell you the truth, I've never seen it myself... but I've heard from a few people that "it costs a few bucks more" to declare catholic.

[csnarpy]

Yay, one small step for man one giant leap backwards for society.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

I think it would be called becoming Canadian. "Us whities" can speak for ourselves.

So not allowing alternative forms of education is "becoming Canadian"? News to me. I thought that it was one of our rights.

And what about the whities remark? Please elaborate.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by 4X4

So not allowing alternative forms of education is "becoming Canadian"? News to me. I thought that it was one of our rights.

And what about the whities remark? Please elaborate.

Is this an alternative form of "education"? My debate is not what is being taught but the environment it is taught in. What my point is, that race should have no bearing on an individuals educational pursuits. However, culture does.

"I think that because it is the black community, us whities automatically see it as reverse racism." Is that not a stereotype? I for one, don't automatically see it as reverse racism. I am a "Whitie".

I think of it as a futile attempt to correct a problem that doesn't have a solution found in the school. IMO. Continue reading my posts, you will see where I stand.