Killer kid get the max - 10 years

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't know how you would calculate that stat either. I would say that you probably can't.

Crime/murder rates go up and down for a variety of reasons and not just this one.

Anyway, in this instance we are talking about executing a 14 year-old girl who committed a crime when she was 12 years old. I don't think the state-sanctioned murder of a child is something we really want to get into. Sounds like something the Taleban would be into, but not sane people.

How else are you going to send a message to the public that murders and other crimes won't be tolerated. A 4 year sentence or whatever she got won't do the trick. At 12 you should understand that killing people is wrong.

Does that give any 12 year old a "get out of jail free" card? I don't know man, that doesn't sit well with me.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

How else are you going to send a message to the public that murders and other crimes won't be tolerated. A 4 year sentence or whatever she got won't do the trick. At 12 you should understand that killing people is wrong.

Does that give any 12 year old a "get out of jail free" card? I don't know man, that doesn't sit well with me.

Put em away for life without a chance for parole. That said the problem isn't wether a death penalty should be brought in our not, it's the justice system. They can start by getting rid of the YJA and charge them as adults.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

How else are you going to send a message to the public that murders and other crimes won't be tolerated.

The message to "the public" doesn't need to be sent. 99.9% of us "get it" without having to be told it's wrong. Those who don't get it won't ever, even if we give the go-ahead to the state to start whacking people.

The people who, logically, should be worried about the death penalty are not.

People who kill other people don't expect to be caught and they don't worry about the repercussions. They don't think "well, if I get caught I'll only spend my life in the slammer, but at least they won't kill me".

We gripe all the time about how incompetent the justice system and the government is, but some of us want to give them the right to kill people. I don't get it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Wow, I even have trouble with the thought of strapping a 12 year old girl to a gurney and executing her.

However I am of the agreement that anykind of homicide case involving a young offender should not be placed under the young offenders act.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by Dion

Put em away for life without a chance for parole. That said the problem isn't wether a death penalty should be brought in our not, it's the justice system. They can start by getting rid of the YJA and charge them as adults.

even being charged as an adult results in a laughable sentence

[LIP MAN]

Jebus, I mean I know our Justice system is screwed up, but executing a 14 year old? I don't think that would seem sane in most peoples eyes. Stop being so reactionary and give your heads a shake.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I've been told Canada has recently removed its name from a UN resolution which states the death penalty is inhumane and should be outlawed. While I don't think a 12 year old (as this girl was then) should be sentenced to death for anything, it will be interesting to see what the Harper conservatives have in store on the death penalty issue, if anything.

Canada's name is still on the resolution, but Canada is not going to sponsor it this time (I think we've done this for quite a while).
So there's really no reason to think there will be any changes in our stance on the death penalty.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

Pure BS. Will probably be free in 3 years. Our system is a joke

I heard 4 years of custody and then 4 years of supervised release....so watch this steinke guy get life without parole so the girl can be "rehabilitated". Something should be done so that exceptions can be made to these laws. There is no way a triple murder should see the light of day for anything less then 25 years.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by return to the red

even being charged as an adult results in a laughable sentence

Good point. The only diference here is here name would be out there in the media. After her release she would be hounded by those who felt she should never get out. For example look what happened to Karla Homolka when she got released.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

When I heard her 8 year old brother told her' I'm scared. I'm too young to die' ...and she stabbed him, that was enough for me.

She's no 12 year old girl. She's evil in a human body. A gurney is too good for her, but it'd do.

[photon]

At 12 you may understand that killing someone is wrong, but you aren't old enough to fully comprehend.

They had a criminologist on the radio this morning and he made some interesting points about it.

What's the point of a longer sentence? Punishment? A deterrent? Is a longer sentence going to deter other 12 year olds?? Is she a danger to society?

I think it was on about 9-9:30 on QR77, interesting point of view on it if anyone wants to go listen to it in the audio vault thing they have.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by photon

At 12 you may understand that killing someone is wrong, but you aren't old enough to fully comprehend.

Man, I'd buy that about the parents, but not the brother. There's a motivation for killing her parents - twisted as it may be. There's no motivation for killing the kid. Stabbing no less. I gotta think that's as nasty as it gets.

Is she a danger to society?

I think so. Killing her little brother like that puts her just this side of the ebola virus on the humanity scale, and with about the same prospects for contributing to society.

[Marv]

Living here in Lethbridge, this story has had so much press it's unreal. What she did was horrible beyond imagining, but I still don't support the death penalty. Lock her up (I don't necessarily agree with the "indefinate sentencing") but the death penalty is not the way to go. You could argue for it here, but with the number of false convictions we've seen pop out of the woodwork the last number of years, I shudder to think at the innocent people who would be dead now if we still executed in Canada. I'm more comfortable with killers serving time in prison than wrongly executing an innocent person.