Vibe Awards Shooting

[dangler22]

Also what qualifies as drug abuse. All I ever here is smoke weed this and that. ooooooh marijuana its sooo dangerous and evil. Its peanuts. And coke? More middle class and rich white people are doing that stuff than black people are. I can't off the top of my head think of any rappers bragging about being a crackhead or a heroin junkie. There are some dummies who talk about mushrooms and ecstacy but they are few and far between.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by kipperfan+Nov 18 2004, 03:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kipperfan @ Nov 18 2004, 03:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dangler22@Nov 18 2004, 03:46 AM
Alot of these rappers are singing about real life.

Name 10 right now.


Now dont get me wrong, my main musical love is hip-hop, but "rap" artists are nothing but glorified sellouts, who want people to think they are "thugs"

Name me 10 that bring concouis(sp?) messages, about the struggles, emotionally and physcially that are taken on by many african americans in the projects. [/b][/quote]
Tupac
Will Smith
Biggie Smalls
Outlawz
Kato
Slick Rick
Mase
Black Locust
Kanye West
NAS

[dangler22]

Will Smith shouldn't count he aint "ghetto"

[Patek23]

Originally posted by dangler22@Nov 18 2004, 04:18 AM
Will Smith shouldn't count he aint "ghetto"

He came from a poor part of Philidelphia which was mostly a ghetto area, but I guess because he doesn't act like a thug nobody would guess.

[dangler22]

I am familiar because I lived and breathed Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I just meant he doesn't fit the mold.

You ever listen to Big L? He was pretty damn good. Its too bad he got killed because I think he would have been huge.

[peter12]

This is so ######ed.

I think alot of mainstream rap "artists" do fit the stereotype though.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by dangler22@Nov 18 2004, 04:25 AM
I am familiar because I lived and breathed Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I just meant he doesn't fit the mold.

You ever listen to Big L? He was pretty damn good. Its too bad he got killed because I think he would have been huge.

Never heard of him. My favorite artsit of alltime is Tupac, thats pretty much all I listen to all day. So I don't really hear much else, It also saves me from having to listen to all this new crunk bullsh*t and this new white trying to be black pop music.

[dangler22]

Tupac and Big L have a song together called Deadly Combination. enjoy.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by dangler22@Nov 18 2004, 04:33 AM
Tupac and Big L have a song together called Deadly Combination. enjoy.

Oh now I know who your talking about, that completely flew past my radar. I'll have to check it out and listen for him.

[JJolg]

If you like tupac you should check for Big L, they both are great lyrically. My fav Big L song is The Hiest. THat being said no one has the delivery like Pac. You can feel his anger/joy in his songs.

[Eddie Bronze]

Mainstream rap is crap. Anyone who listens it and then tries to tell you they like Hip-Hop, they need to be slapped so hard their momma's feel it. The mainstream crap is the only stuff that gets heard by the general public and so the whole genre gets a bad image. There are a lot of hip-hop artists who don't make a living talking about guns, violence, drugs, beating women, etc, etc, etc. I would start listing them, but there's no point because the names would be foreign to anyone who listens to Vibe and then says I hate hiphop. You wouldn't give it a chance because you let the media and major record labels control your way of thinking. I've had this discussion with many people before and it's next to impossible to get anyone to understand. If you want to base your opinion of an entire genre of music on a few songs you hear on the radio, you go right ahead. I'll keep on enjoying the real hiphop that gets overlooked on a daily basis and you can complain about the crap on the radio.

[dangler22]

I am mad that all the best rappers are dead. And I agree that the commercial stuff for the most part sucks. But I enjoy some of the commercial crap as much as the next guy. It is good to dance to with the ladies when at the bar. You need a beat otherwise its impossible to get your freak on- so to speak.

[Pagal4321]

Big L is dead? I loved him back in the day.....sooo that's why I haven't seen anything from him recentley.
Rap used to be good now alot of it is mainstream sh*t, pardon my french.
I will now stay away from this volatile topic....

[Five-hole]

Originally posted by Clarkey@Nov 17 2004, 08:28 PM
Those wonderfully artistic songs they sing about about raping women, robbing, using drugs, and killing, really reinforce your point.

I'm not an expert by any means on the genre, though I "get" some of the artists when they're talking about that kind of thing.

They're talking ABOUT the perceptions of them as being rapists, criminals, murderers, and so on. It's irony. Listen to the Eminem song where the line is "I'm a criminal"...it might be called "Criminal", I don't know. It'll help you make sense of this. Why portray yourself as anything but a criminal when that's what people assume anyway? That's a classic theme in black American culture of the last 100 years.

Race relations are a complex issue and most people that've posted in this thread don't seem to know a damn thing about them. Unfortunately, neither do a lot of the rappers who rap about killing and so on without doing it ironically, or without an artistic message. And even worse, are the stupid kids (both white and black) gobbling this up and interpreting it differently. Which then exacerbates the race relation problem because they think what it means to be black and be cool is to be some gun-toting thug.