Eminem: Encore

[Cheese]

White trash...Eminem is all about riding a style...a wave...
heres why we hate him.

I apologize to CalPuck and anyone who may be offended reading this crap...

Eminem fantasizes about killing his wife, raping his mother, forcing rival rappers to suck his dick and holding at knife-point ******s who keep "eggin' [him] on"


[Chorus One]
{Just pull the plug!}
People say that I'm a bad influence
I say the world's already ######ed, I'm just addin to it
They say I'm suicidal, teenagers' newest idol {c'mon!}
C'mon do as I do, go ahead get mad and do it
{Just pull the plug!}
People say that I'm a bad influence
I say the world's already ######ed, I'm just addin to it
They say I'm suicidal, teenagers' newest idol {c'mon!}
C'mon do as I do, go ahead get mad and do it
{Just let it gooo!}


Whipped that sh*t out, and aint no doubt about it
It hit the ground and caused an earthquake and power outage
I shouted "Now bitch, lets see who gets the best!"
Stuffed that sh*t in crooked and ######ed that fat slut to death (Ahh!! Ahhh!)
Come here bitch!
Come here!
Take this mother######in dick!
Bitch, come here!



Yo, you could buy Jaz spittin', hospital, son admit it
Rip your lips off, kiss my ass wit it
Slap bitches, got Marshall Maths [printin]
Weed, X, and the acid tabs did it
I was happenin wit no rerun
Doc rob the neuro when the heat come
My barrel hang out the Camaro
Aimed at the nose of them hoes it's hard to breathe from
Flash the gat, your town, bogardin'
Yo' wallet, your chain the main target
Beef is like cold engine, don't start it
Bust in the air and hit a airplane pilot
We clowned you, rap surround sounds around you
From ten speed and brown shoe
Doc and Eminem, #### the M & M
Blood flows with 2Pacalypse and them

Of course as parents we are supposed to think this is a forward thinking young man that has something to add to society? Not a chance....any CD with his name attached would go directly to the garbage bin if itt entered my house.

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by Pagal4321@Nov 13 2004, 06:25 PM


This is just classic, last week your demanding explanations from people on their opinions buy ou seem to be above your own standards then.
I think this is hilarious.

Hhahaha. Yeah, I noticed that too. He's the worse hypocrite ever on this board

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Is that an actual song, because that is offending to a young male, and that really says something. Gone are the days of songs from bands such as the Beatles which promoted love, and peace, and are now replaced by crap such as that which promotes what, rape? Murder? Prejudice? Sorry but how can someone seriously respect someone that sings about rape in such a manner. That is just repulsive.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Nov 14 2004, 01:45 AM
Is that an actual song, because that is offending to a young male, and that really says something. Gone are the days of songs from bands such as the Beatles which promoted love, and peace, and are now replaced by crap such as that which promotes what, rape? Murder? Prejudice? Sorry but how can someone seriously respect someone that sings about rape in such a manner. That is just repulsive.

Why watch a horror movie? A rape on TV? People are drawn to this stuff, its not abnormal (as indicated by Eminems popularity/influence/record-sales). Just as I don't really have a problem w/ violence in movies, i don't have a problem w/ the crap Eminem spews out. Its pure fantasy, and some of it is catchy

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Pagal4321@Nov 13 2004, 07:25 PM


This is just classic, last week your demanding explanations from people on their opinions buy ou seem to be above your own standards then.

Oh please, get over it. Asking for a reason why someone is against two people they have never meet getting married is a little different then me saying I don't like Eminem.

I just don't like his music, its not my preference, if you think the word "sucks" is to harsh then I am truely sorry about that. But if you think what we were talking about last week is even in the same realm of similarity as an Eminem song then you have totally missed the boat.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by albertGQ@Nov 13 2004, 07:42 PM
Hhahaha. Yeah, I noticed that too. He's the worse hypocrite ever on this board

LOL, hilarious. Thanks for once again piggy backing on the opinion of another poster.

Biggest hyopcrite ever on this board? Wow, that is such a strong statement from someone who has been here since January..2004.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Nov 13 2004, 08:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Nov 13 2004, 08:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mean Mr. Mustard@Nov 14 2004, 01:45 AM
Is that an actual song, because that is offending to a young male, and that really says something. Gone are the days of songs from bands such as the Beatles which promoted love, and peace, and are now replaced by crap such as that which promotes what, rape? Murder? Prejudice? Sorry but how can someone seriously respect someone that sings about rape in such a manner. That is just repulsive.

Why watch a horror movie? A rape on TV? People are drawn to this stuff, its not abnormal (as indicated by Eminems popularity/influence/record-sales). Just as I don't really have a problem w/ violence in movies, i don't have a problem w/ the crap Eminem spews out. Its pure fantasy, and some of it is catchy [/b][/quote]
well jeezuz karumba...lets see here...how about cuz people dont watch horror movies daily over and over and over...some may see it a few times...but people listen to music constantly...a MUCH bigger influence.
It is abnormal...its all about smash mouth obnoxious lyrics that hold no benefit to society in the least!

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by GerryCheevers+Nov 14 2004, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GerryCheevers @ Nov 14 2004, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Why watch a horror movie? A rape on TV? People are drawn to this stuff, its not abnormal (as indicated by Eminems popularity/influence/record-sales). Just as I don't really have a problem w/ violence in movies, i don't have a problem w/ the crap Eminem spews out. Its pure fantasy, and some of it is catchy

well jeezuz karumba...lets see here...how about cuz people dont watch horror movies daily over and over and over...some may see it a few times...but people listen to music constantly...a MUCH bigger influence.
It is abnormal...its all about smash mouth obnoxious lyrics that hold no benefit to society in the least! [/b][/quote]
I see your point. I'd still argue that 'mainstream entertainment' provides so many examples of equally sordid acitivity, that to believe Eminem is somehow outside the norm or 'too extreme' might be overlooking the realities of what's available to people these days. There is much worse stuff than Eminem in the music world, let alone other entertainment industries.

I was shocked when he came out, but realized that in the end, I've probably uttered most (... many) of the words he says on his CD's.

People used to think rock & roll was perverted.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Nov 13 2004, 09:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Nov 13 2004, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

well jeezuz karumba...lets see here...how about cuz people dont watch horror movies daily over and over and over...some may see it a few times...but people listen to music constantly...a MUCH bigger influence.
It is abnormal...its all about smash mouth obnoxious lyrics that hold no benefit to society in the least!

I see your point. I'd still argue that 'mainstream entertainment' provides so many examples of equally sordid acitivity, that to believe Eminem is somehow outside the norm or 'too extreme' might be overlooking the realities of what's available to people these days. There is much worse stuff than Eminem in the music world, let alone other entertainment industries.

I was shocked when he came out, but realized that in the end, I've probably uttered most (... many) of the words he says on his CD's.

People used to think rock & roll was perverted.

[/b][/quote]
Sordid indeed...thank you! I think the world has come a LONG way since Elvis first jiggled his hips on the Ed Sullivan show...or the Beatles grew their hair longer than normal...but at no time did any of these groups espouse rape, murder, or hatred the way Eminem gets his jolly's.
Dont get me wrong...Im as Hippy as you can get without the hair...I think love and peace is great...hatred is what we fought against and always will...Eminen and the MAJORITY of rappers out there are only about influencing the extreme negative...they hold no moral basis in society whatsoever. Eminem and his like have created a group of hateful punks who love noone...not even themselves!

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I don't think many people have ever watched a movie to see someone get raped. I have seen movies which feature people dying for the sake of them dying, but it is done in a fun manner. I see nothing funny about someone talking about how they are going to rape someone, kill their wife, and harm their mother.

Also I don't think anyone really looks up to characters in movies the way in which people look up to musical artists.

Your assertion about the jiggling of hips, and the hair grown long (which was actually a take on the British upper class, which was known to have the hair cuts, and it was seen as a social satire that 4 young men from working class roots would have the same haircut) are even in the same ballpark as talking about rape in a positive sense is just odd.

And I think I still hold the title of biggest hypocrite.

[FlamesAddiction]

Didn't we have a thread on here a while ago about music elitism?

Personally, I don't like rap or Eminem all that much, but I respect it as art. To each their own. I know a lot of people don't like the kind of music I like, but whatever. :/

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

There is no art in talking about raping women. How is that musical elitism?

[Agamemnon]

I don't think many people have ever watched a movie to see someone get raped. I have seen movies which feature people dying for the sake of them dying, but it is done in a fun manner. I see nothing funny about someone talking about how they are going to rape someone, kill their wife, and harm their mother.

You're probably right, though I'd contend that people don't necessarily listen to Eminem's music 'just' for the profanity. They can repeat those words to each other. The point of the song is not the swears, its generally the emotion and issue behind them, which is articulated very poorly when it comes to social niceties. Though the profanity is part of the 'fun', just as the rape/murder/suicide in the movie is 'fun'. I hear what you're saying though, I know a lot of people who believe Eminem is not appropriate for 'mainstream' media.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Nov 14 2004, 03:04 AM
There is no art in talking about raping women. How is that musical elitism?

I wasn't talking to you. RAP NOT RAPE. This thread is supposed to be about music and Eminem.

Are you okay? Synapse problems or something?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

No I understand what you are saying, I am saying there is nothing artistic about a song that promotes raping women. There is no way around that.

That is in responce to you respecting his art, and the musical elitism comment,

[FlamesAddiction]

It can still be art. No different than paintings or photos depicting violence. It doesn't mean you have to like it. Eminem also has numerous songs, not all about rape. It's possible to still see him as an artist, even if you don't particularly like the subject matter.

[RougeUnderoos]

Eminem is an actor playing a character -- he says so himself. Like him or not (and I happen to hate him) what he does qualifies as "art". If Eminem glorifies rape then Arnold Schwarzenegger glorifies killing police officers, since a character he played once killed 17 of them in a West Highland Police Station in 1984. Ironically enough, the last line he uttered in that scene - "I'll be back" -- has been around for 20 years and has been used as a slogan in political campaigns. I don't think anything Eminem says will be part of the vernacular in 2028. He'll be long forgotten. He certainly won't be a conservative governor of the most poplous state in the union.

[Ro]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Nov 13 2004, 08:26 PM
Eminem is an actor playing a character -- he says so himself. Like him or not (and I happen to hate him) what he does qualifies as "art". If Eminem glorifies rape then Arnold Schwarzenegger glorifies killing police officers, since a character he played once killed 17 of them in a West Highland Police Station in 1984. Ironically enough, the last line he uttered in that scene - "I'll be back" -- has been around for 20 years and has been used as a slogan in political campaigns. I don't think anything Eminem says will be part of the vernacular in 2028. He'll be long forgotten. He certainly won't be a conservative governor of the most poplous state in the union.

Clap clap clap. Clap. Very well said.

And it's true. Plenty (hell, the majority of his rhymes are so unbelievably over the top it's absurd. You think anyone in their right mind would let this guy raise a daughter after reading a couple sheets of his lyrics, similar to the one posted above? Nope. But the guy is apparently a perfectly fit father. Imagine that.

He's just a convienient target. For all sorts of critics. "Know-it-all," elitist music snobs. The right-wing media. Anyone who equates hip hop with trash. And of course it doesn't help that strikes many white parents with fear, seeing as he's a white rapper bringing an unknown culture to the surburban masses.

For the record, he could say whatever the crap he wants on his LPs, and I'll still be a big fan. I don't believe everything the guy says, and I don't for a second believe that he believes everything he says. I suppose that is one valid argument against Eminem and others of the same ilk- those unfortunate enough not to know the difference may think he's popularizing gay-bashing, or murder, or whatever. Still, I think that speaks more directly to a deeper societal problem, as well parenting and education, rather than simply classifying Em a virus.

As I outlined in a previous post defending hip hop, one of the main reasons I love it is because of the complex rhyme structure and multi-layered rhyming schemes the best emcees use. And Eminem is on top in that department. Just because I listen to his music doesn't mean I endorse violence against minorities or rape.

And for the record, in my post above, I meant to say that "The Eminem Show" was a classic album, not "The MM LP." And also I sounded a little harsh at the end there. If you have valid reasons for not liking his music, fine. I'll respect that. And I suppose you can be a fan of hip hop music and not like Eminem for whatever reason, although you'd be contradiciting yourself a little in there somewhere. I guess I have a problem with people telling me that I'm an ignorant fool for being a fan of his. because that couldn't be further from reality. If it offends you, don't support it. But don't judge me, and don't go out of your way telling people it's wrong.

[Faid1]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Nov 13 2004, 07:53 PM
I see nothing funny about someone talking about how they are going to rape someone, kill their wife, and harm their mother.

Sup prude?

I bet you don't find jokes about 9/11 or AIDS funny either.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

That is true, I really don't think those topics are funny. So now your saying that Eminem talks about raping women in a joking manner? He is joking about killing his wife? Not much of a joke to me.