Civil War? What Civil War?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I'm not quite sure how this is classified as racism. A police officer attempted to stop someone in a truck who broke the law, who subsequently refused to pull over (another broken law)? Or is it because he was on a reserve, and they were celebrating a soccer victory that it suddenly becomes okay? I'm not trying to say i'm not sympathetic or agree with the outcome, but I think the racism card is thrown around way to often.

I explained it in my last post. Man, people on this board are making me lose my faith in evolution.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I explained it in my last post. Man, people on this board are making me lose my faith in evolution.

Actually, you didn't. All you said was that they had an important "parade," yet nothing says that it was planned, sounds more impromptu. But because it was on a reserve that makes them beyond traffic laws? Nothing is said about a planned parade, nor the race of the officer. So exactly how is this racism? Maybe the cop was being a dick, sure, but odds were pretty good he'd pull over a native on a reserve if he was going to be pulling someone over for running a stop sign.

[Devils'Advocate]

Kinda off topic...

A relative of mine works at a call centre where people call to ask questions about their cell phone bill. Most of the clients of this phone company are in the southern US. So this guy calls and asks to have a charge removed for a ridiculous reason... something about his dog knocking the phone off his desk and it automatically called his sister for 4 hours. This relative explained that there was no way that they could reverse that charge. The fellow then got quite irate. "YOU RACIST! YOU'D REVERSE THOSE CHARGES IF I WAS WHITE!". To which my relative replied that she did not have a video phone.

So it is a mess. The southern culture is for the whites to persecute minorities. It's also part of southern culture for minorities to feel persecuted... even when they are not.

[Devils'Advocate]

Oh, and as for you don't have to go to Alabama to find racism....

I have a friend who has two strikes against him. Black AND muslim.

One day he came in quite irate. My friend got off the public transit train with a group of four other people, all holding transfers from the train. The other four people were white. Along came an express bus and the four white people handed over their transfers and the driver let them on. My friend handed the driver his transfer and the driver said "You are not allowed on an express bus with a train transfer. You need to wait for a regular bus."

He has also gone to the mosque to pray and come out to find his tires slashed. A note was left on one of the cars that said "Terrorist - go home!"

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Actually, you didn't. All you said was that they had an important "parade," yet nothing says that it was planned, sounds more impromptu. But because it was on a reserve that makes them beyond traffic laws? Nothing is said about a planned parade, nor the race of the officer. So exactly how is this racism? Maybe the cop was being a dick, sure, but odds were pretty good he'd pull over a native on a reserve if he was going to be pulling someone over for running a stop sign.

Edit:

Upon further reading, it may have been planned, but doesn't really say one way or the other. Either way, a rookie constable unfamiliar with their celebrations wanted the kids to sit down in the back (according to the RCMP) still doesn't scream racism.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Edit:

Upon further reading, it may have been planned, but doesn't really say one way or the other. Either way, a rookie constable unfamiliar with their celebrations wanted the kids to sit down in the back (according to the RCMP) still doesn't scream racism.

No but forcibly arresting the coach and pepper spraying the kids, their families and even a baby, does. Sometimes it's best for us Euros to mind our own business instead of making everybody conform to our ideas. If you can't see the know it all hate that was driving this cops actions, I don't have much more to say. Maybe the only way to understand is to be a victim or see someone you care about be a victim of hate or racism.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

No but forcibly arresting the coach and pepper spraying the kids, their families and even a baby, does. Sometimes it's best for us Euros to mind our own business instead of making everybody conform to our ideas. If you can't see the know it all hate that was driving this cops actions, I don't have much more to say. Maybe the only way to understand is to be a victim or see someone you care about be a victim of hate or racism.

Band members angrily crowded around what were now three police officers, who decided to use pepper spray to keep them at bay.

My first question was what the hell are kids and infants doing as a part of an angry native mob? Why on earth would the parents bring them anywhere close to a confrontation with the police?

In my opinion, this story seems to be one misunderstanding after another. I'm also concerned that questioning whether something is racist or not should is deemed as a "failure to live up to your evolutionary standards" or being just another "euro." I questioned your statement and I really feel you have yet to prove that this is racism, but more your opinion. I'd hate to think that your opinion is biased by previous experiences that you could not look at this objectively. There seems to be no benefit of the doubt that the cop was actually just trying to do his job. He's just painted as a racist because he was dealing with band members.

All the other stories on this thread to me come off as racist behaviour except this one. I'm just trying to see exactly how you are so sure this cop acted in hate? I don't understand why are resulting to quasi-personal attacks. Anyway, this doesn't need to be a huge ordeal, I'll get off it, but IMHO, there just isn't enough from those reports to suggest that the police acted in a racist manner, and that should also be fine for someone to question.

[Joborule]

Me being a black person I felt like I have had some meets with racism back in elementary school.

These days now I feel pretty fortunate I haven't had any occurrences recently.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by The President

I guess you were one of the few or the only black in elementary school..
I have a question for you. Is Calgary a multicultural city or a predominately-white one ?

It's pretty predominately white in general. But there's a good mix of other cultures such as asian, east indian, ect. The most multicultural part of the city is in the Northeast part since thats where the majority live it seems.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Jayems

My first question was what the hell are kids and infants doing as a part of an angry native mob? Why on earth would the parents bring them anywhere close to a confrontation with the police?

In my opinion, this story seems to be one misunderstanding after another. I'm also concerned that questioning whether something is racist or not should is deemed as a "failure to live up to your evolutionary standards" or being just another "euro." I questioned your statement and I really feel you have yet to prove that this is racism, but more your opinion. I'd hate to think that your opinion is biased by previous experiences that you could not look at this objectively. There seems to be no benefit of the doubt that the cop was actually just trying to do his job. He's just painted as a racist because he was dealing with band members.

All the other stories on this thread to me come off as racist behaviour except this one. I'm just trying to see exactly how you are so sure this cop acted in hate? I don't understand why are resulting to quasi-personal attacks. Anyway, this doesn't need to be a huge ordeal, I'll get off it, but IMHO, there just isn't enough from those reports to suggest that the police acted in a racist manner, and that should also be fine for someone to question.

I just ask myself this question. Do I think this cop would have acted the same way if it had been white people holding a parade, on their own property, no less? No way.

The other factor is the Natives have a long experience of being crapped on, and the cops have a long experience of doing the crapping. It's been inbred in the RCMPs culture, although they seem to be officially trying to change. Here, the natives show signs of pride in their community and what happens. It would drive a lot of people to drink.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I just ask myself this question. Do I think this cop would have acted the same way if it had been white people holding a parade, on their own property, no less? No way.

The other factor is the Natives have a long experience of being crapped on, and the cops have a long experience of doing the crapping. It's been inbred in the RCMPs culture, although they seem to be officially trying to change. Here, the natives show signs of pride in their community and what happens. It would drive a lot of people to drink.

There is no doubt there is something not right with the situation. We can both agree on that.