If Bush wins . . . . they'll move to Canada

[The Goon]

Who says we want them up here anyway?

I'll give a couple of okays if they bring boxes of Cookie Crisp cereal with them.

[Incinerator]

Start packing, Robert

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Nov 1 2004, 07:25 PM
Kind of cowardly if you ask me....and I'm a big Redford fan.

When things don't go your way you fight harder, not pull up stakes and hightail it to Canada......although it's certainly a great place to live and I can see the appeal for a guy like Redford who tends to appreciate the same things in life that I do. But that's not really the point is it?

I think cowardly is too strong, but I see what you mean. Fighting is probably better and is one of the key reasons Dems are looked upon less favorably IMO. Their supporters need to have forward thinking ideas and good plans but have a good right hook and some powerful lungs too. But like I said, I think they're sending a message rather then being cowardly. Perhaps they don't want their tax money contributing to Bushes "success".

[CaptainCrunch]

You Redford, yeah you, quit looking at my girlfriend unless your carrying you cheque book. Thats french for Check book mr fancy pants hollywood actor.

Oh yeah bub, you want a night with my girlfriend, well its gonna cost you pal. 1 Million Canadian Dollars, or 1 dollar American, its all the same up here pal.

Not my girlfriend? . . . me . . . we'll that'll cost you a million U.S. and it dosen't hit the papers, I have a reputation to keep pal.

[Wookie]

Ugh, at least the Dixie Chicks didn't mention anything (that I heard) about moving here.

I'm actually smiling thinking about how annoyed so many "celebreties" must be.

[browna]

CNN tells Americans's "not so fast". There are actually rules to get into Canada. (unless you come smuggled in on a ship, that is..or *gasp* find a job here...Baldwin's, that means you)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/...reut/index.html

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by browna@Nov 3 2004, 08:09 PM
CNN tells Americans's "not so fast". There are actually rules to get into Canada. (unless you come smuggled in on a ship, that is..or *gasp* find a job here...Baldwin's, that means you)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/...reut/index.html

They're exaggerating quite a bit. It is in fact, a lot easier for someone from the U.S. to immigrate to Canada. We have the same language, and many of the companies are present in both countries. Plus, we have a free trade agreement. Sure, the folks in Ottawa are going to say that they have to wait in line, but if you are resourceful enough, it can be done faster - especially if you are an American.

Too bad they weren't coke dealers from Honduras, or heroin smugglers from China - they would have already been allowed in.

[arsenal]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Nov 3 2004, 02:37 PM
They're exaggerating quite a bit. It is in fact, a lot easier for someone from the U.S. to immigrate to Canada. We have the same language, and many of the companies are present in both countries. Plus, we have a free trade agreement. Sure, the folks in Ottawa are going to say that they have to wait in line, but if you are resourceful enough, it can be done faster - especially if you are an American.

Actually, I know a guy that moved from South Carolina, married a girl in calgary. He couldn't work for 9 months untill he got cleared to work by the Canadian Government. Now, my understanding with imigration to the US is (marriage wise):
Apply for Fiance Visa - wait 6-18 months for it to clear
Once you step foot on US soil, you have 3 months to get married.
It is adviced that you apply for a green card asap
Once you are married, the landed imigrant is then issued a temporary green card untill the permanent one is issued.
After 2 or more years, you are then able to apply for permenent residencey (sp?)

There are other was to get into the US:
1) Start a company with a $1,000,000 investment, and hire 10 americans
2) Have someone sponsor you (company or private citizen)
3) Go to school (undergrad is expensive, graduate school if you get a scholarship not so much).
4) Be able to do the job that no other american is able to do
5) If you go based on skills: If you have Phd and 2 years experiance you are the top of the list
Masters and 4 years experience puts you second
Undergrad and 6 years experience thrid
Associate Degree (2 year diploma) requires 8 or more years experiance in fourth
Unskilled i beleive is last, and you need 10+ years experience.
(NOTE: Those numbers are from memory and could be a little off).

Also, all the reasons you mentioned for an American getting into Canada, exsist for a Canadian going to the US.
Free-trade
Same companies on both sides (mind you usually owned by the american company)
Free-trade agreement
Speak the same language.

So, by your argument, it is just as easy for an american to come to canada as it is for a canadian to go the US.

Getting there is easy on both sides. Actually staying would be a little harder on the US side, but it is by no means a cake walk for an american in Canada.

[notoepik]

Moving to Canada because Bush won? They say that like it will bother someone in the US.

Meh, don't let the door hit ya on your way out

[FlamesAddiction]

I got approved almost instantly when I applied for a green card to work in the U.S.

It wasn't hard at all. If you can market yourself well to a potential employer, and they want to help you, it is possible to move the process up. I know a guy from Tenessee who works in a recording studio in Vancouver and did just that.

[arsenal]

It depends on your situation.
If it is a temporary visa, yah, those are fairly easy to get. Becuase you don't plan on living there for an extended period of time.
Usually when someone moves, it is a rather permanent thing.

OTOH, I could see the Canadian government being more lenient in letting americans live and work up here. 1) we need more people up here 2) To counter-act the "Brain Drain" heading south.

[FlamesAddiction]

Sure, I absolutely agree. The only point I have is that when the Canadian immigration dictators say that Americans will have to wait in line just like everyone else, they are exaggerating a little. There are a lot of hoops to jump through, but an American has a lot more advantage over someone from Nigeria or Malaysia - or even an Australia.

I think all the Canadians are doing by issuing a statement like this is being politically accomodating to Bush.

[arsenal]

It is easier for an Australian to live and work in Canada than american. If your country is still considered part of the British "empire" it is alot easier to get into those countries and get a work visa.

I have no problem with the assertion that an American will have an easier time than someone from Malaysia or Nigeria will have. On that, we agree

But compare and Australian to an American, same skill set and everything else, the Auzzie will have an easier time.

Just my opinion.

[FlamesAddiction]

But there is the whole distance factor. An Australian is less likely to be able to frequently visit Canada to network and get connections that an American could if he or she were so motivated. The actual bureaucratic aspect might be easier for an Australian, but the logistics would probably be more difficult.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally posted by The Goon@Nov 2 2004, 05:42 PM
Who says we want them up here anyway?

I'll give a couple of okays if they bring boxes of Cookie Crisp cereal with them.

And American Corn Pops! Theirs are so much better. Anyone know why?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Hack&Lube+Nov 3 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hack&Lube @ Nov 3 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The Goon@Nov 2 2004, 05:42 PM
Who says we want them up here anyway?

I'll give a couple of okays if they bring boxes of Cookie Crisp cereal with them.

And American Corn Pops! Theirs are so much better. Anyone know why? [/b][/quote]
Because they are made from real Iraqis!

Seriously, probably because they have more sugar. Ever try American Tang? It's 10 times sweeter than the stuff sold in Canada (if you can believe that). Same thing with their chocolat bars (which they have more kinds of too). Americans seem to like that stuff more than Canadians. I'm not sure why that is.

[nfotiu]

Here we go:
http://www.harpers.org/

[arsenal]

They may have 100's more chocolate bars than us, but as far as chip flavor's go, they are seriously lacking. Think they have heard of ketchup? Nope, no such thing. I think they have, plain, ruffled. Oh, don't forget REAL pork rhinds. (sp?)