When voting is a matter of faith

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by ah123+Oct 26 2004, 05:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ah123 @ Oct 26 2004, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I-Hate-Hulse@Oct 26 2004, 08:44 AM
Imagine this: an ideal candidate - well spoken, intelligent, compassionate, strong individual runs for office and emerges a lead candidate for President of the United States. We could almost use a pre-Bush Colin Powell as an example. One wrinkle: he's Muslim. Does he stand a chance? Would the American public accept that?

Strictly Hypothetical.

The way the world (read US) is right now, you need to be male, caucasian and Christian to be elected president...As far as I know, the US has not even had a female vice-president yet... [/b][/quote]
The Democrats had a female VP candidate with Walter Mondale in 1984 I believe.

Hilary Clinton is the early frontrunner Presidential candidate for the Democrats in 2008 if John Kerry loses. She'd probably have a pretty good shot.

It's been a long time since God played the significant role you see in Presidential politics today. Its always been there but more often than not on the backburner.

Can you really picture Nixon thumping the bible.

Carter certainly did.

Reagan and GW Bush weren't big bible thumpers. I don't think Clinton was either.

Who was the last bible-thumping President? They've had a few but you'd have to go back to the 1800's to find someone other than Carter, and even he wasn't a real in-your-face guy about it.

Cowperson

[troutman]

The Democrats had a female VP candidate with Walter Mondale in 1984 I believe.

Geraldine Ferraro.

Sad that there was only ever one female on the ticket, and that we can't even remember her name.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtool...mhst/gerald.htm

Geraldine Ann Ferraro earned a place in history as the first woman vice-presidential candidate on a national party ticket.

[Agamemnon]

Little bit here about GW's faith and whether or not is blurs the line between religion and politics in the White House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics...artner=homepage

[Cube Inmate]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@Oct 26 2004, 12:36 PM
Little bit here about GW's faith and whether or not is blurs the line between religion and politics in the White House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics...artner=homepage

Good article.

It seems that GWB truly is what you would call "deeply religious," in that his faith is extremely important to him. However, it doesn't look like his policies on abortion, stem cell research, etc. are just an implementation of his personal beliefs...rather it appears that he's just been extremely successful at passing these party policies because he's had a Republican-controlled HoR and senate.

Still, it scares me the way he constantly evokes the name of God in his speeches. It's not so much that I think he's trying to convert the country to his faith, but that I fear he's truly listening to God for advice. To me, such overt faith is an indication of someone who isn't fully in touch with reality.

[troutman]

Is God an American Voter?
Conservative Pundits Question Bush's Religious Appeals

You will have to register:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...26.html?sub=new

That kind of religious fervor among President Bush's supporters, reported yesterday by the Sydney Morning Herald, is provoking a broad and deep backlash in the international online media. Even in news sites that supported President Bush's invasion of Iraq, pundits assert that the president's religiosity is a menace.

"What deeply alarms many non-Americans," writes Toronto Sun columnist Eric Margolis, "is the prospect of a second Bush term dominated by a coalition of evangelical Christians, Christian 'Rapturists,' American partisans of Israel's PM Ariel Sharon, and rural voters from the Deep South who reject evolution and think French is the native language of Satan."

In the Times of London, another Murdoch paper, conservative British-born pundit Andrew Sullivan laments that Americans' "deepest and most mysterious beliefs are being dragged more and more into the public square."

"It is one thing to have religious rhetoric and language in public. That is the American way. It is another to base political appeals on religious grounds -- whether crudely or subtly. It is one of the saddest ironies of our time that as America tries to calm the fires of theocracy abroad, it should be stoking milder versions of the same at home," Sullivan writes.

[FlamesAddiction]

Rather than starting a new thread, I thought I would post this here:

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publis...le_14313.shtml

The Bush Administration has decided that it will stand by its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah’s flood rather than by geologic forces, according to internal documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER).

[sbailey924]

Abortion is the strong issue when it comes to this. Homosexual marriage is second. I've met a lot of people who have said they thought "God wanted Bush as President," which scares me.....a lot.

One Bible verse a lot of Pro-Lifers constantly overlook is Exodus 21:22. (Personally I don't think that the Bible speaks to abortion at all, but using their logic, I throw this back at them sometimes)

[Flame On]

Originally posted by sbailey924@Oct 27 2004, 11:54 AM
Abortion is the strong issue when it comes to this. Homosexual marriage is second. I've met a lot of people who have said they thought "God wanted Bush as President," which scares me.....a lot.

One Bible verse a lot of Pro-Lifers constantly overlook is Exodus 21:22. (Personally I don't think that the Bible speaks to abortion at all, but using their logic, I throw this back at them sometimes)

Can you quote that verse for all us who haven't picked up the bible recently?

[sbailey924]

22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

A footnote to "prematurely" is to have a miscarriage.